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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 02:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is such a joke. None of the stats Brian listed are legit. I&#039;ve been a member there for going on 3 years. They&#039;ve never had anywhere close to ten thousand people inworld at once (they can&#039;t even handle 3k without severe lag and stability issues), they&#039;re using ancient and closed accounts to make up the numbers saying that UV has as many people as SL, none of the chat features he talks about are actually an option in world, tech support is non-existent, they routinely bypass the QA system and take massive &quot;upgrades&quot; live without any testing whatsoever...I could go on.  
 
This guy is very good at blowing smoke up people&#039;s asses. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is such a joke. None of the stats Brian listed are legit. I&#039;ve been a member there for going on 3 years. They&#039;ve never had anywhere close to ten thousand people inworld at once (they can&#039;t even handle 3k without severe lag and stability issues), they&#039;re using ancient and closed accounts to make up the numbers saying that UV has as many people as SL, none of the chat features he talks about are actually an option in world, tech support is non-existent, they routinely bypass the QA system and take massive &quot;upgrades&quot; live without any testing whatsoever&#8230;I could go on. </p>
<p>This guy is very good at blowing smoke up people&#039;s asses.</p>
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		<title>By: Hallow Palmer</title>
		<link>http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2009/07/sex-king-takes-on-the-hypergrid/comment-page-1/#comment-376</link>
		<dc:creator>Hallow Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 00:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tested Secret City 1 year ago.  
The way to the next Metaverse generation is a Browser based 3D Application. 
And the Utherverse App is wide away from that. 
Utherverse is no competition for open structured Grids like Opensim is. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tested Secret City 1 year ago. </p>
<p>The way to the next Metaverse generation is a Browser based 3D Application.</p>
<p>And the Utherverse App is wide away from that.</p>
<p>Utherverse is no competition for open structured Grids like Opensim is.</p>
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		<title>By: The Watch &#8211; virtual worlds in the news : The Metaverse Journal &#8211; Australia&#8217;s Virtual World News Service</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Watch &#8211; virtual worlds in the news : The Metaverse Journal &#8211; Australia&#8217;s Virtual World News Service</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-07-17 &#124; Metaverse3d.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2009-07-17 &#124; Metaverse3d.com</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m wondering why other platform providers feel it necessary to brag that they have &quot;10,000&quot; on a sim when Lindens have &quot;only 20&quot;. It&#039;s terribly misleading, as usually what they mean is that they have users all experiencing one broadcast event on one stream, but from different shards.  
 
That&#039;s possible in SL too where you might get thousands watching a Metanomics show or other event but from different sims. If you can only render so many avatars and only enable so much perception of chat and realistically interact only with the same 20, or even 100 people, in another world with this &quot;10,000&quot; then what is the point of bragging?! It&#039;s not as if you are meaningfully able to pick anyone in the crowd of 10,000 and interact with them, so don&#039;t be silly. If you don&#039;t render the 10,000 or even 100, stop making the claim. The 100 that might be a bit laggy in SL are all people I can really interact, talk to, give objects to, and show things to in real time. Thank you, that works for me, I don&#039;t need 9999 other grey avatars along with that. 
 
I don&#039;t know why geeks make such a big fuss about downloads and imagine that consumers need web browsers. They don&#039;t. Millions are happy to download and play World of Warcraft for $15.95 a month with nary a whimper. Even Second Life has 1.5 million in 60 days willing to download a world. With browser worlds, you are merely encountering the nuisance later in the session, when it constantly loads and loads and loads to make the world visible or enable interaction or rez the next sim when you teleport to it. It&#039;s actually a worse experience. Those complaining about &quot;walled gardens&quot; invoke consumer convenience but what they really mean to say is &quot;we need hook-in ability to sell our APIs and widgets off this platform&quot; -- and I&#039;m sorry, the consumer is not here to help you with that, and might likely rather take the services from the original platform provider than endlessly resupply personal data and credit cards to widgeteers without track records. 
 
What it sounds like to me that Shuster is doing here is cynically and nihilistically destroying the value of other worlds by undercutting their land market by offering free land, but then signing lucrative contracts with some larger enterprises or ad buyers. The same cynical model, essentially, as Craig&#039;s list, which gives ads for free, except for employers who have to pay $25 -- but that undercuts newspaper ads and helped destroy classifieds for newspapers and helped kill off their ability to pay for good journalistic content -- all in the name of Craig Newmark getting fairly wealthy and then funding only lefty causes he approves -- sort of a latter day Robin Hood.  
 
Then the &quot;employers&quot; that buy the ads are mainly escort services anyway, and eventually the states attorney generals crack down on these ads as creating a climate of criminality for illegal prostitution and a setting where even murders take place.  
 
Those who cynically devalue property and use sex to lure in the masses to provide something for adsters to data scrape eventually find that if the law doesn&#039;t come for them first, users leave because they have no rights and no valued property, either. 
 
I guess I will stick with Second Life and the Lindens which, like democracy, are the worst system -- except for all the others. They have a TOS and a history of judicial decisions of sorts that more or less constitute something akin to the rule of law. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m wondering why other platform providers feel it necessary to brag that they have &quot;10,000&quot; on a sim when Lindens have &quot;only 20&quot;. It&#039;s terribly misleading, as usually what they mean is that they have users all experiencing one broadcast event on one stream, but from different shards. </p>
<p>That&#039;s possible in SL too where you might get thousands watching a Metanomics show or other event but from different sims. If you can only render so many avatars and only enable so much perception of chat and realistically interact only with the same 20, or even 100 people, in another world with this &quot;10,000&quot; then what is the point of bragging?! It&#039;s not as if you are meaningfully able to pick anyone in the crowd of 10,000 and interact with them, so don&#039;t be silly. If you don&#039;t render the 10,000 or even 100, stop making the claim. The 100 that might be a bit laggy in SL are all people I can really interact, talk to, give objects to, and show things to in real time. Thank you, that works for me, I don&#039;t need 9999 other grey avatars along with that.</p>
<p>I don&#039;t know why geeks make such a big fuss about downloads and imagine that consumers need web browsers. They don&#039;t. Millions are happy to download and play World of Warcraft for $15.95 a month with nary a whimper. Even Second Life has 1.5 million in 60 days willing to download a world. With browser worlds, you are merely encountering the nuisance later in the session, when it constantly loads and loads and loads to make the world visible or enable interaction or rez the next sim when you teleport to it. It&#039;s actually a worse experience. Those complaining about &quot;walled gardens&quot; invoke consumer convenience but what they really mean to say is &quot;we need hook-in ability to sell our APIs and widgets off this platform&quot; &#8212; and I&#039;m sorry, the consumer is not here to help you with that, and might likely rather take the services from the original platform provider than endlessly resupply personal data and credit cards to widgeteers without track records.</p>
<p>What it sounds like to me that Shuster is doing here is cynically and nihilistically destroying the value of other worlds by undercutting their land market by offering free land, but then signing lucrative contracts with some larger enterprises or ad buyers. The same cynical model, essentially, as Craig&#039;s list, which gives ads for free, except for employers who have to pay $25 &#8212; but that undercuts newspaper ads and helped destroy classifieds for newspapers and helped kill off their ability to pay for good journalistic content &#8212; all in the name of Craig Newmark getting fairly wealthy and then funding only lefty causes he approves &#8212; sort of a latter day Robin Hood. </p>
<p>Then the &quot;employers&quot; that buy the ads are mainly escort services anyway, and eventually the states attorney generals crack down on these ads as creating a climate of criminality for illegal prostitution and a setting where even murders take place. </p>
<p>Those who cynically devalue property and use sex to lure in the masses to provide something for adsters to data scrape eventually find that if the law doesn&#039;t come for them first, users leave because they have no rights and no valued property, either.</p>
<p>I guess I will stick with Second Life and the Lindens which, like democracy, are the worst system &#8212; except for all the others. They have a TOS and a history of judicial decisions of sorts that more or less constitute something akin to the rule of law.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Korolov</title>
		<link>http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2009/07/sex-king-takes-on-the-hypergrid/comment-page-1/#comment-358</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Korolov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been waiting for twenty years to use the phrase &quot;sex king&quot; in a headline. My day job consists of writing about enterprise risk management software at financial firms -- not too much call for pruriency.

However, your reaction -- that this may scare away business customers -- is exactly the point of the story. How will Utherverse attract enterprise users if most of their marketing consists of selling virtual sex?

- Maria</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been waiting for twenty years to use the phrase &#8220;sex king&#8221; in a headline. My day job consists of writing about enterprise risk management software at financial firms &#8212; not too much call for pruriency.</p>
<p>However, your reaction &#8212; that this may scare away business customers &#8212; is exactly the point of the story. How will Utherverse attract enterprise users if most of their marketing consists of selling virtual sex?</p>
<p>- Maria</p>
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		<title>By: Lord Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2009/07/sex-king-takes-on-the-hypergrid/comment-page-1/#comment-366</link>
		<dc:creator>Lord Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe this is one of the many reasons people do not take Mr Shuster seriously 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/9823541.shtm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/9823541.shtm&lt;/a&gt;  
 
and I quote 
 
&quot; Adult Web Sites Settle FTC Charges 
&quot;Free&quot; Site Operators To Provide Refunds To Consumers They Billed 
 
Operators of &quot;free&quot; adult Web sites, who claimed they required a credit card number just to verify consumers&#039; age, but then placed unauthorized charges on consumers&#039; credit cards, have agreed to settle Federal Trade Commission allegations that their scheme violated federal laws. The settlement will require the Web operators to provide refunds to consumers who were improperly billed, to post &quot;clear and conspicuous&quot;disclosures of their billing practices on their Web site, and will bar violations of the Truth in Lending Act and the FTC Act in the future. 
 
The FTC alleged that Xpics Publishing, Inc., and its principals, Mario G. Carmona and Brian M. Shuster, hosted a variety of adult web sites offering &quot;free&quot; viewing, or &quot;free 30-day&quot; or 90-day trials. Consumers were required to provide credit card information to verify their age. But consumers who visited the sites soon discovered that their credit cards were billed, sometimes in a matter of hours, after they registered for the &quot;free&quot; trial, the agency alleged. Xpics advertised that consumers who canceled in a timely manner would not be charged any fees, but Xpics used a variety of tactics to make it impossible for consumers to cancel their registration.&quot; 
 
would you deal with a company whose owner had such a track record and hand your credit card details to them? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe this is one of the many reasons people do not take Mr Shuster seriously</p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/9823541.shtm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/9823541.shtm</a>  </p>
<p>and I quote</p>
<p>&quot; Adult Web Sites Settle FTC Charges</p>
<p>&quot;Free&quot; Site Operators To Provide Refunds To Consumers They Billed</p>
<p>Operators of &quot;free&quot; adult Web sites, who claimed they required a credit card number just to verify consumers&#039; age, but then placed unauthorized charges on consumers&#039; credit cards, have agreed to settle Federal Trade Commission allegations that their scheme violated federal laws. The settlement will require the Web operators to provide refunds to consumers who were improperly billed, to post &quot;clear and conspicuous&quot;disclosures of their billing practices on their Web site, and will bar violations of the Truth in Lending Act and the FTC Act in the future.</p>
<p>The FTC alleged that Xpics Publishing, Inc., and its principals, Mario G. Carmona and Brian M. Shuster, hosted a variety of adult web sites offering &quot;free&quot; viewing, or &quot;free 30-day&quot; or 90-day trials. Consumers were required to provide credit card information to verify their age. But consumers who visited the sites soon discovered that their credit cards were billed, sometimes in a matter of hours, after they registered for the &quot;free&quot; trial, the agency alleged. Xpics advertised that consumers who canceled in a timely manner would not be charged any fees, but Xpics used a variety of tactics to make it impossible for consumers to cancel their registration.&quot;</p>
<p>would you deal with a company whose owner had such a track record and hand your credit card details to them?</p>
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		<title>By: Been there, heard th</title>
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		<dc:creator>Been there, heard th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been there for quite a while now...  I&#039;ve learned one of many things.... Aside from the fact that the platform is extremely unstable, unreliable, over-priced, and just down right pisses people off at times.... 
 
 
If it looks like bull crap, and it smells like bull crap..... Guess what, there&#039;s a good chance that it is bull crap. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been there for quite a while now&#8230;  I&#039;ve learned one of many things&#8230;. Aside from the fact that the platform is extremely unstable, unreliable, over-priced, and just down right pisses people off at times&#8230;.</p>
<p>If it looks like bull crap, and it smells like bull crap&#8230;.. Guess what, there&#039;s a good chance that it is bull crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra Webwyre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra Webwyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a shame you felt you had to use the word SEX in the title of your article in an attempt to get attention. This was a well-written article that had it&#039;s own legs to stand on. Businesses are having a hard enough time getting buy-in for virtual world use, another article with the word sex in the headline hinders progress more than it helps. I&#039;m really disappointed you stooped to sensationalism rather then good reporting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a shame you felt you had to use the word SEX in the title of your article in an attempt to get attention. This was a well-written article that had it&#8217;s own legs to stand on. Businesses are having a hard enough time getting buy-in for virtual world use, another article with the word sex in the headline hinders progress more than it helps. I&#8217;m really disappointed you stooped to sensationalism rather then good reporting.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Korolov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria Korolov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jimmy -- You&#039;re absolutely right. I&#039;m personally very interested in the work done by the Xinki viewer. Adam Frisby over at DeepThink used to head this up, but got busy on other projects. I recently saw that Kevin Tweedy has taken it over, and he&#039;s got a nice demo video up. 
 
I personally am VERY excited about having a web-based viewer for the Second Life/OpenSim/Real Xtend worlds. It will make this technology much more accessible to the public at large.  
 
Meanwhile, most OpenSim and SecondLife deployments these days seem to be oriented towards INTERNAL business applications, not retail-focused stuff. For example, the IBM Lotus Sametime 3D product is designed for internal collaboration. Schools and colleges are using OpenSim and Second Life to hold classes. Architects use this to do walk-throughs for clients. I personally am mostly interested in these small, cost-efffective, and bottom-line-oriented uses of virtual worlds. Technology hype comes and goes, often without any successful businesses uses to show for it. But the OpenSim-Second Life-Rex stack of applications seems to be steadily growing in actual enterprise users. -- Maria </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimmy &#8212; You&#039;re absolutely right. I&#039;m personally very interested in the work done by the Xinki viewer. Adam Frisby over at DeepThink used to head this up, but got busy on other projects. I recently saw that Kevin Tweedy has taken it over, and he&#039;s got a nice demo video up.</p>
<p>I personally am VERY excited about having a web-based viewer for the Second Life/OpenSim/Real Xtend worlds. It will make this technology much more accessible to the public at large. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, most OpenSim and SecondLife deployments these days seem to be oriented towards INTERNAL business applications, not retail-focused stuff. For example, the IBM Lotus Sametime 3D product is designed for internal collaboration. Schools and colleges are using OpenSim and Second Life to hold classes. Architects use this to do walk-throughs for clients. I personally am mostly interested in these small, cost-efffective, and bottom-line-oriented uses of virtual worlds. Technology hype comes and goes, often without any successful businesses uses to show for it. But the OpenSim-Second Life-Rex stack of applications seems to be steadily growing in actual enterprise users. &#8212; Maria</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it doesn&#039;t make sense calling this the 3D web when they dont use a web browser. These are big giant application downloads that have nothing to do with the web. It would be like saying World of Warcraft is gaming on the web, which we all know it is not. Both this product and Second Life are both walled gardens, big applications that take a very long time to download and install and thus are very user unfriendly, and most importantly are not on the web, in a web browser, connected to any web content, or easy to use like the web.  
 
No consumer business is going to use that kind of technology or strategy to reach it&#039;s customers. They know they have to be on the web where everyone is. That is why since early 2008 consumer brands and products have been abandoning Second Life. It is about the user access experience and being on the web. Unfortunately for Second Life they have an additional issue beyond the technology and access challenges for consumers, which is that their content is too adult for any consumer brand to be near.  
 
But the access and technology unfriendliness (compared to web sites, Flash, 3D web experiences like Vivaty, etc) for consumers are the real deal breaker issues. IMO. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it doesn&#039;t make sense calling this the 3D web when they dont use a web browser. These are big giant application downloads that have nothing to do with the web. It would be like saying World of Warcraft is gaming on the web, which we all know it is not. Both this product and Second Life are both walled gardens, big applications that take a very long time to download and install and thus are very user unfriendly, and most importantly are not on the web, in a web browser, connected to any web content, or easy to use like the web. </p>
<p>No consumer business is going to use that kind of technology or strategy to reach it&#039;s customers. They know they have to be on the web where everyone is. That is why since early 2008 consumer brands and products have been abandoning Second Life. It is about the user access experience and being on the web. Unfortunately for Second Life they have an additional issue beyond the technology and access challenges for consumers, which is that their content is too adult for any consumer brand to be near. </p>
<p>But the access and technology unfriendliness (compared to web sites, Flash, 3D web experiences like Vivaty, etc) for consumers are the real deal breaker issues. IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: SuezanneC Baskervill</title>
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		<dc:creator>SuezanneC Baskervill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article.  Glad I found the link. I posted a thread in the Second Life forums linking to this post. &lt;a href=&quot;http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=330549&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=330...&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article.  Glad I found the link. I posted a thread in the Second Life forums linking to this post. <a href="http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=330549" rel="nofollow">http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=330&#8230;</a></p>
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