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		<title>By: Anonymoose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymoose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 01:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If LL were to switch to Open-Sim, they would have to spend 5 years rewriting Open-Sims LSL implementation, to actually work right. Not that it would take that long, just thats how long they would take. I have a feeling, most of their programmers do nothing 6 days a week, and work for one hour on the seventh. 
 
Also, the LL platform is programmed in C++ and ASM. Providing LL with the best performance on the low power systems they use to host. If they switched to Open-Sim they would spend all of the money they &quot;saved&quot;, upgrading every system in the data centers. And They would again RAISE sim purchase costs to cover the higher end machines. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If LL were to switch to Open-Sim, they would have to spend 5 years rewriting Open-Sims LSL implementation, to actually work right. Not that it would take that long, just thats how long they would take. I have a feeling, most of their programmers do nothing 6 days a week, and work for one hour on the seventh.</p>
<p>Also, the LL platform is programmed in C++ and ASM. Providing LL with the best performance on the low power systems they use to host. If they switched to Open-Sim they would spend all of the money they &quot;saved&quot;, upgrading every system in the data centers. And They would again RAISE sim purchase costs to cover the higher end machines. </p>
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		<title>By: What are people saying? &#8211; &#171; SLookable &#8211; Second Life Social Media Guide</title>
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		<dc:creator>What are people saying? &#8211; &#171; SLookable &#8211; Second Life Social Media Guide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 20:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Doubledown Tandino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doubledown Tandino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>plain and simple: Linden Lab&#039;s &quot;Second Life&quot; has 70000 online users at any given moment.  Second Life has an economy.  Second Life has Linden Lab. 
 
Open Sim (which is also Linden Lab) is not Linden Lab&#039;s Second Life. 
 
Here&#039;s an analogy: 
 
Second Life is to Open Sim as Facebook is to a Ning group. 
 
i don&#039;t know how to explain it any better than that. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>plain and simple: Linden Lab&#039;s &quot;Second Life&quot; has 70000 online users at any given moment.  Second Life has an economy.  Second Life has Linden Lab.</p>
<p>Open Sim (which is also Linden Lab) is not Linden Lab&#039;s Second Life.</p>
<p>Here&#039;s an analogy:</p>
<p>Second Life is to Open Sim as Facebook is to a Ning group.</p>
<p>i don&#039;t know how to explain it any better than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Episode 138 &#8211; iPawned &#124; Dogear Nation » Podcast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Episode 138 &#8211; iPawned &#124; Dogear Nation » Podcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 3-D Internet Virtual worlds &#8212; still worth your time &#8211; epredator LL switch to OpenSim? &#8211; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: cube3</title>
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		<dc:creator>cube3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like AOL in 1997, LL is &quot;too cool&quot; (in there minds) to want to be &quot;just an isp&quot;  so while the idea makes sence -big picture- its too late. LL is locked into the same tech biz models that befell AOL. YAHOO, and others. 
 
And the only BIG  &quot;business&quot; hope they had- PAYPAL plus protection- has been lost by the utter disdain they have shown to 3rd party IP owners over the years. 
 
The new SL viewer will determine their future.. either another 3-6 years as a quasi-game-platform entertianment- or another forgotten AOL, Compuserve,within the next 2 years, 
Other Futures I really dont see. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like AOL in 1997, LL is &quot;too cool&quot; (in there minds) to want to be &quot;just an isp&quot;  so while the idea makes sence -big picture- its too late. LL is locked into the same tech biz models that befell AOL. YAHOO, and others.</p>
<p>And the only BIG  &quot;business&quot; hope they had- PAYPAL plus protection- has been lost by the utter disdain they have shown to 3rd party IP owners over the years.</p>
<p>The new SL viewer will determine their future.. either another 3-6 years as a quasi-game-platform entertianment- or another forgotten AOL, Compuserve,within the next 2 years,</p>
<p>Other Futures I really dont see.</p>
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		<title>By: Weed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 02:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Educational institutions, for example, require mixed-age environments, a PG-friendly world, real names for avatars, and the ability to make backups of their builds.&quot; 
 
and the rest of the world doesn&#039;t? 
 
Second Life? &#8220;C&#8217;est magnifique, mais ce n&#8217;est pas la guerre&#8221; 
 
(saddling members with silly names ensured that Second Life would never be seen as anything other than a niche fantasy game by the majority of internet users, no matter how much real money is spent there) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Educational institutions, for example, require mixed-age environments, a PG-friendly world, real names for avatars, and the ability to make backups of their builds.&quot;</p>
<p>and the rest of the world doesn&#039;t?</p>
<p>Second Life? &ldquo;C&rsquo;est magnifique, mais ce n&rsquo;est pas la guerre&rdquo;</p>
<p>(saddling members with silly names ensured that Second Life would never be seen as anything other than a niche fantasy game by the majority of internet users, no matter how much real money is spent there)</p>
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		<title>By: Nink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maria this is a good observation and would be a smart business decision for Linden Labs. Novel owned the network server space for many years but quickly evolved to embrace unix/linux and continues to thrive today.  At some point Linden needs to realize the race is over and start to redirect their efforts towards Opensim. This would accelerate the growth of the 3D internet, allow Linden to continue to grow market share, reduce their development and support costs and put linden in a key position. After all today they own 75% of the total grid. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maria this is a good observation and would be a smart business decision for Linden Labs. Novel owned the network server space for many years but quickly evolved to embrace unix/linux and continues to thrive today.  At some point Linden needs to realize the race is over and start to redirect their efforts towards Opensim. This would accelerate the growth of the 3D internet, allow Linden to continue to grow market share, reduce their development and support costs and put linden in a key position. After all today they own 75% of the total grid.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Korolov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria Korolov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew -- 
 
Just because you&#039;re using in-house technology and don&#039;t have to pay yourself anything, doesn&#039;t mean that the product is free. It costs a lot of money for Linden Lab to develop and maintain its server software. If the software never changed again then you could argue that it&#039;s been paid for -- why not use it? 
 
But the platform continues to evolve. Under pressure from not just OpenSim but also Blue Mars and other virtual worlds, Second Life will have to continue innovation.  
 
Take mesh objects for example. The Lindens promised to have mesh imports this year. That means upgrading the server software, and upgrading the viewer, to support meshes. On the OpenSim side, this is already available (with the modrex module and the realXtend viewers).  
 
Keeping all these guys employed is a lot of overhead.  
 
Meanwhile, business and educational grids will need to have Vivox voice support -- which is an extra cost to grid operators. But the free physics engine that&#039;s available in OpenSim is just fine for these users.  
 
AOL faced all these issues when it became clear that HTML was the way to go. It had invested a lot of money into its own proprietary technology. And HTML -- at least at the beginning -- looked really bad by comparison.  
 
If the Lindens switch over to OpenSim it won&#039;t happen overnight. Meanwhile, the OpenSim developers are continuing to work on scalability and load balancing issues. Intel in particular has been putting a lot into this -- last week, they were able to run 1,024 regions in a single sim modeling Yellowstone National Park (come and visit -- look for Geography regions on ScienceSim grid). Keep in mind that OpenSim is still officially &quot;alpha&quot; software -- it hasn&#039;t even reached the 1.0 release yet. However, despite all its problems and issues -- and despite the fact that the developers remind us of its alpha status on every occasion -- hundreds of grids are already running the software. Based on the growth of the top 40 grids alone (not counting all the uncountable private grids out there) I&#039;m estimating a 177% annual growth rate in OpenSim regions -- compared to just 6% growth for Second Life.  
 
Article here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2010/01/opensim-grows-faster-than-second-life/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2010/01/opensim-...&lt;/a&gt;  
 
Even if OpenSim grows at a steady linear pace and does not accelerate (which is highly unlikely) it&#039;s on track to pass SL in regions by early next year.  
 
-- Maria </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew &#8211;</p>
<p>Just because you&#039;re using in-house technology and don&#039;t have to pay yourself anything, doesn&#039;t mean that the product is free. It costs a lot of money for Linden Lab to develop and maintain its server software. If the software never changed again then you could argue that it&#039;s been paid for &#8212; why not use it?</p>
<p>But the platform continues to evolve. Under pressure from not just OpenSim but also Blue Mars and other virtual worlds, Second Life will have to continue innovation. </p>
<p>Take mesh objects for example. The Lindens promised to have mesh imports this year. That means upgrading the server software, and upgrading the viewer, to support meshes. On the OpenSim side, this is already available (with the modrex module and the realXtend viewers). </p>
<p>Keeping all these guys employed is a lot of overhead. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, business and educational grids will need to have Vivox voice support &#8212; which is an extra cost to grid operators. But the free physics engine that&#039;s available in OpenSim is just fine for these users. </p>
<p>AOL faced all these issues when it became clear that HTML was the way to go. It had invested a lot of money into its own proprietary technology. And HTML &#8212; at least at the beginning &#8212; looked really bad by comparison. </p>
<p>If the Lindens switch over to OpenSim it won&#039;t happen overnight. Meanwhile, the OpenSim developers are continuing to work on scalability and load balancing issues. Intel in particular has been putting a lot into this &#8212; last week, they were able to run 1,024 regions in a single sim modeling Yellowstone National Park (come and visit &#8212; look for Geography regions on ScienceSim grid). Keep in mind that OpenSim is still officially &quot;alpha&quot; software &#8212; it hasn&#039;t even reached the 1.0 release yet. However, despite all its problems and issues &#8212; and despite the fact that the developers remind us of its alpha status on every occasion &#8212; hundreds of grids are already running the software. Based on the growth of the top 40 grids alone (not counting all the uncountable private grids out there) I&#039;m estimating a 177% annual growth rate in OpenSim regions &#8212; compared to just 6% growth for Second Life. </p>
<p>Article here: <a href="http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2010/01/opensim-grows-faster-than-second-life/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2010/01/opensim-&#8230;</a>  </p>
<p>Even if OpenSim grows at a steady linear pace and does not accelerate (which is highly unlikely) it&#039;s on track to pass SL in regions by early next year. </p>
<p>&#8211; Maria</p>
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		<title>By: Tinker LaFollette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tinker LaFollette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing the SL server has that OpenSim *may* lack, is the ability to run at the huge scale that the Linden grid requires. It would require some serious engineering work to test, upgrade, and certify the software for suitability. Which is not out of the question; the result might be the equivalent of the highly customized build of Linux that Google uses on its servers. 
 
Linden&#039;s commitment to its behind-the-firewall enterprise customers may be an obstacle as well; clients paying big bucks for SL server software may not like the idea of swapping server software out from under them, even if would nominally be an improvement. So at a minimum, Linden Lab would have to foot the bill for maintaining the old server software, plus customizing the new platform, at least for the duration of existing contracts. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing the SL server has that OpenSim *may* lack, is the ability to run at the huge scale that the Linden grid requires. It would require some serious engineering work to test, upgrade, and certify the software for suitability. Which is not out of the question; the result might be the equivalent of the highly customized build of Linux that Google uses on its servers.</p>
<p>Linden&#039;s commitment to its behind-the-firewall enterprise customers may be an obstacle as well; clients paying big bucks for SL server software may not like the idea of swapping server software out from under them, even if would nominally be an improvement. So at a minimum, Linden Lab would have to foot the bill for maintaining the old server software, plus customizing the new platform, at least for the duration of existing contracts.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Leach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Leach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 05:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;By using OpenSim as the back-end server platform, Second Life would be able to offer regions at a lower price point...&quot; 
 
I don&#039;t understand the argument behind this point, since LL don&#039;t have to pay themselves a fee to use their own technology.   
 
On the whole though, this article made more sense that I initially expected it to from the title.  The physics in SL is vastly superior to OpenSim because LL have bought-in the Havok engine.  But, imagine if the Havok engine, and other commercial modules, became optional features to buy when setting up a Reaction Grid sim.  Adding all of the modules would probably take the cost to equivalent or above what is available from LL, but the choice would be a vast improvement. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;By using OpenSim as the back-end server platform, Second Life would be able to offer regions at a lower price point&#8230;&quot;</p>
<p>I don&#039;t understand the argument behind this point, since LL don&#039;t have to pay themselves a fee to use their own technology.  </p>
<p>On the whole though, this article made more sense that I initially expected it to from the title.  The physics in SL is vastly superior to OpenSim because LL have bought-in the Havok engine.  But, imagine if the Havok engine, and other commercial modules, became optional features to buy when setting up a Reaction Grid sim.  Adding all of the modules would probably take the cost to equivalent or above what is available from LL, but the choice would be a vast improvement.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Danton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Danton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 03:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting idea. I think this may be the way that SL was heading under Philip Rosedale, with repeated promises that the server code would be released and if that happened it would make sense to incorporate the technical advances made in OpenSim. But mention of opening up the server code has become much less frequent now to the point that it sees not to be on the horizon at all, just as cross-grid interoperability seems to have been dropped (at least in public) by LL in the pursuit of a more proprietary approach, locking people into the LL world. I think that&#039;s backward step that places Second Life under threat from Open Sim and of course the other contenders. I&#039;m skeptical of Blue Mars as a platform but I do think that if efforts to build a Unity-based client for Opensim come to fruition then the universe of virtual worlds will get very shaken up by a combination of great graphics and freedom. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting idea. I think this may be the way that SL was heading under Philip Rosedale, with repeated promises that the server code would be released and if that happened it would make sense to incorporate the technical advances made in OpenSim. But mention of opening up the server code has become much less frequent now to the point that it sees not to be on the horizon at all, just as cross-grid interoperability seems to have been dropped (at least in public) by LL in the pursuit of a more proprietary approach, locking people into the LL world. I think that&#039;s backward step that places Second Life under threat from Open Sim and of course the other contenders. I&#039;m skeptical of Blue Mars as a platform but I do think that if efforts to build a Unity-based client for Opensim come to fruition then the universe of virtual worlds will get very shaken up by a combination of great graphics and freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Blogland Oh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogland Oh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reaction grid is microsoft. Maybe you should check channel 9 a microsoft channel for Reaction Grid. It&#039;s all .net development running on microsoft technology. 
 
Microsoft can never buy out linden labs. Check sl there&#039;s no microsoft sim anymore. 
 
I don&#039;t see the point in jumping to another grid (unless it&#039;s mica astrophysics n-body experiments) The point of opensim is running your own and experimenting. Second life is the leading competitor so why settle for anything less than the real deal? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reaction grid is microsoft. Maybe you should check channel 9 a microsoft channel for Reaction Grid. It&#039;s all .net development running on microsoft technology.</p>
<p>Microsoft can never buy out linden labs. Check sl there&#039;s no microsoft sim anymore.</p>
<p>I don&#039;t see the point in jumping to another grid (unless it&#039;s mica astrophysics n-body experiments) The point of opensim is running your own and experimenting. Second life is the leading competitor so why settle for anything less than the real deal?</p>
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		<title>By: Zauber Paracelsus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zauber Paracelsus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Microsoft buys out Linden Lab, I&#039;m quitting Second Life completely.  I don&#039;t want SL becoming more screwed up than it already is. </description>
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