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   Phil — I agree with you about the need for a bundle. Though, personally, I find CPanel too hard to use and run my WordPress sites on Dreamhost, instead, which has an easier-to-use, custom-build installer system.

   Some pieces may already be there. Whisper/Mumble voice, for example, sounds as good as Vivox and just needs to be better integrated with the viewers. And Paypal payment and OMC currently modules are already available — in fact, OMC is currently used on 30 different OpenSim grids.

   One think you missed which I think is going to make a huge difference is a content management system. Kind of what WordPress is to Apache. After all, how many of us are running a bare-bones HTML website these days? — Maria

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   If I want a bundle, i'll go to SL, One-click install, currency, no need for hyper-grid (lots of cool places to visit there), voice enabled, live artists, etc, etc.

   The fun in the open-sim based worlds, for me personally, is NOT having a bundle. I like to figure things out myself, I like to get a sim running on a Linux server without any knowledge of Linux! Same goes for SL btw; I don't have a clue how to make a mesh, but gonna learn how to do that!

   That is the fun for me, learning new stuff, like Linux, or meshes, or what ever. I don't need a one-click VR, I like to build my own one:)

   (Good article though)

   Oddball.

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   i came to silicon valley to work on DARPAnet and a product that was world-wide. since then i been looking at way to make what is now the internet more VRish. i generally supported vrml/vrml2 until it died, and in oct 2007 looked at sl then fhte following month opensim.

   i agree with you. simona-on-a-stick is the right different. diva is the right direction. but because the opensim seems divided and everyone is in for their own part– except for opensim developers themselves, dont think it will happen.

   i talked to various people about currency, dynamic animations, actors (npcs run on the system server), and marketplace, true marketplace. in fact one developer as osgrid called me a *something nasty* for suggesting currency. opensim and realXend should join forces and have more resources — like cash. afterall, it was the mod that realXend contribution that make meshes possible on opensim.

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   Oddball, that isn't a bundle. SL has all the server end of things. And I'm like you, I like to get 'under the hood'. But face it, the average person out there just wants to plug it in and go. A easy-to-install, ready to go, one shot bundle would result in more people trying OpenSim.

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   The part that caught my interest was "Distributed inventories" and I wrote about this recently on my own blog here… http://metaverse-traveller.blogspot.com/2011/07/a…

   I had a long talk with Revolution Smythe, lead dev of Aurora Sim, and he told me that, ideally, Mesh Networks would offer the best chance of content security across the Hypergrid Network where nothing actually leaves the grid in which it is sold or given away. Mesh Networks acts as a relay – or rather, every grid acts as a relay for distributing data. All grids keep their content regardless and only distribute data about it through the network so no matter where you travel your inventory is drawing on data in the network rather than directly from your home grid. What you create is always stored on your home grid database and you can sell access to the data distributed in the network rather than selling copies that are transferred to some other database. In theory this makes it impossible for content thieves to steal the original items.

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   Hm… new names for old things. I thought about the same thing, like with bittorrent, just its called peer to peer from my point of view.

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   The New World Studio 7.1.1 installs a mega region on your computer including phpmyadmin and the wifi pages to create accounts. and it can easily be connected to the outside world, it is just one click away. And HG works too. One install is needed, it is working.
   If you want a bundle, here it is. The only thing that is missing is voice.

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   "nine easy pieces"? if that is so, then create it for us! =p

   but i don't want a pre-cluttered inventory, bah on that, i want it stripped down to just a default shape and skin

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   stock inventory & stock pre configured environments = everywhere looking the same. not great for creativity. at all.

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      Dixie — Each of us only has so much time in the day to be creative. Creating a grid is kind of like… like cooking a meal. Do you grow all your own ingredients and cook everything from scratch? Not only does it take a lot of time, but you wind up limited to the stuff that can grow in your area — and is in season. Though some folks do do this, and more power to them!

      Other times, you're rushed, and you just grab a frozen meal out of the freezer and reheat it. Boring, but it works, and keeps you fed. Or you can combine ingredients — some fresh, some canned, some frozen — into something unique, using your limited time and energy on the combining part, or the seasonings, or just make the salad from scratch and reheat everything else.

      (Okay, I'm a little hungry right now as I write…)

      Same thing for the grid. Are you going to make all your plants from scratch? Go outside and take pictures to create original textures? Or is the stock stuff good enough? Personally, what Linda Kellie is doing is way better than anything i can come up with on my own. Yes, the plants on my grid will look "the same" as on other grids (though I may arrange them differently) but at least they won't look worse!

      Similarly, does everyone need to create all their office buildings and classrooms from scratch? Or use their time when it comes – in creating unique interactive learning or collaboration experiences?

      Having stock plants, buildings, furniture, avatars, even entire regions available doesn't hurt creativity — just creates time and opportunity to be creative in different ways.

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    Ive been in OSgrid for about 6 months, it seems that the most common problem with new installs almost everyone runs into like a brick wall is their router/ports/firewall/port forwarding.
    Invariably they run into either the “(region) is not part of an estate” app QUITS… or they get their regions up, on the map but no one can TP to it.
    Then you spend a lot of time checking it all and rechecking, and still cant TP in. One fellow only copied his working install to another machine in his house and the two of us spent I dont know how many hours over several days trying to get it to work (he ran into those two errors above) and I finally had to suggest maybe he just rent a region for now.
    He decided to put his tower back on  which had OS running fine, did so and it ran fine. No idea why his other machine simply would not, he installed everything needed .NETframeworks 3.5, the OSgrid version downloaded fresh several times, recopying over his working install, checkign and rechecking his ip’s internal ip, portforwarding for it, ports, even turning OFF His firewall to try that, verifying his regions.ini and I even teamviewed to look.

    There’s GOT to be a better, simpler way to do this, it just can’t be THAT difficult.

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    From a Guest to a Guest
    Your friend story it’s just like mine
    Hours and hours over several days with a friend teamviewing to help me.
    My region was on map, and regions list. My friend could go there. But me? Never I could see my region or have my feet in there.
    Deception it’s my word…