Q&A with designer Linda Kellie

Freebies are plentiful throughout OpenSim grids, where uploads are free and land is cheap — anyone can put up a freebie store.

But most freebie stores can’t guarantee the provenance of their content. Grid owners and content creators fight to remove infringing content, but that’s no comfort to a business or educational institution that gets content and takes it back to their own grid in between the time it’s uploaded and is taken down for infringement. The downside of having infringing content on your private grid? Best case, public embarrassment. Worst case — copyright infringement lawsuit.

There are a few sites offering free content (see Where to get content for OpenSim) but some have the same problems as in-world freebies stores. OpenSim Creations, for example, allows anyone to upload content to the site. Even some single-creator sites don’t have proof of provenance of each item. For example, on FleepGrid Shop, the description of its Garden-in-a-Box says ” All landscaping packages and items are believed to be distributed under open source or Creative Commons licensing” and urges creators to contact the site owner if they see infringing content.

There are three creators, however, that are distributing all original content. ReactionGrid has a Creative Commons-licensed collection of starting avatars available in the form of its ReactionGrid OAR.  OSGrid president Michael Emory Cerquoni has created a Universal Campus in which all content has been created from scratch — and also Creative Commons licensed.

Linda Kellie

But the creator that has been making the biggest impact is Linda Kellie, whose website, LindaKellie.com, is full of must-have items for new grid owners — avatars, furniture, buildings, plants, sculpties, even complete landscaped OAR files with freebie stores. Everything is Creative Commons licensed, so schools and companies can do anything they like with the content — and she keeps adding more and more items to her site.

But her content is also available in-world. Kitely users can hop over to her Linda Kellie Designs region (Facebook account needed for access). OSGrid residents and hypergrid travelers can visit her Linda Kellie Designs region on OSGrid at hg.osgrid.org:80:Linda Kellie Designs. However, because of the way the region is set up, if you’re looking to bring content back to your own grid via hypergrid teleport, you should use an OSGrid avatar (free registration here), get what you need, then teleport to another region before doing a hypergrid teleport to your own grid.

Kellie stands out for another reason besides her large collection of original content. She is also remarkably open about her virtual identities.

Hair by Linda Kellie.

On her site, she lists the avatar names she has previously created content under, including Ayla Holt, Jayce Tearfall, Sin Delight and Betray Resident.

“For years I sold items with my Ayla Holt avatar and I have now retired her,” she said on her site. “So even though some of these items may have been for sale at one time they are now open source… I tell you all this information because I am sure there will be someone, somewhere who will accuse me of stealing these creations if they don’t know the avatar name of the original creator.”

 

Linda Kellie Designs region on OSGrid.

With her experience selling and giving away content in Second Life, and on many OpenSim grids, we decided to ask her some questions about her favorite grids, and how OpenSim compares to Second Life.

HB: What’s a good grid for putting up a store and getting traffic?

InWorldz seems to have a good variety of items but their market isn’t over saturated so it is still a good place for almost any type of creations to actually sell there. It, like some other OpenSim grids, is good for the smaller shops who are lost in the flood of Second Life and want a place where they can be seen and make a name for themselves. There is the classified section in their forums to help promote your store.

For creators who want to have a realistic lifestyle and be able to have the fun of not only creating but marketing and selling their items I would, without a doubt, choose InWorldz. I am an avid researcher of the backgrounds of grids and the people who run them and I trust that InWorldz will be around and that they do their best to support and implement the best security they can. It’s easy to create clothing, textures and animations because of the free uploads. I’m rather astonished that some grids still charge for uploading. It feels like they nickel and dime you to death.

For creators who just want to have some fun and aren’t worried about their intellectual property as much I think OSGrid is such a relaxing place to create. The main reason is that without having to market and worry about making money there is no time pressure and it doesn’t feel like work. I consider OSGrid my hippy grid. I can go there and hang out barefoot and build when I want and share everything I have. It would not work in real life but it works there.

In Second Life, they make it hard on the creators. The market is too saturated for one thing. And it just feels rather uptight. Most of the land seems abandoned now unless you go to Zindra (adult) land.

HB: You just created a region on Kitely. What do you think of them?

I think it has a lot of potential but until they have some sort of search or world listing it just feels like being on a standalone. Kitely isn’t very easy right now because you have to have a Facebook account and it took me a while to figure out how to even get logged in. It seems to choose the viewer for me. I know there is a way for me to set that myself in some file but since I am a very very low tech. person I don’t even try. I am assured that as they progress they are making things easier and more convenient for logging in as well as finding worlds there to visit. The owners seem wonderful and friendly and I think that it will become something that will suit many people.

HB: What do you think of the stability and support you get on different grids? 

What is really funny to me about this question is for myself, almost every OpenSim grid is more stable than Second Life. This wasn’t the case years ago. But now if I use Second Life, I tend to crash and freeze up much of the time. I am told it’s because I refuse to use their Viewer 2 (or Viewer 3 now). And trying to get help there is pretty much a pain in the ass. They certainly don’t care about their customers like they used to.

Kitely seems very stable. But I haven’t been on there where I was on a sim with more than one other person. And honestly I haven’t tried to build there yet much. I do love that I can upload an OAR or export there.

I think much of the stability of OSGrid depends on how you personally are connected to it. The servers that my sims are on are very stable. And since I was given use of them they are not maintained by me… which is wonderful for me — if anything goes wrong someone takes care of it right away. And there has only been one time in the last couple of months that I wasn’t able to log in anywhere on OSGrid and that is right now ironically enough.

I never had any problems in all the months I was on the InWorldz grid that wasn’t taken care of right away. I rarely crashed or became smoke or Ruthed. If a sim went down it would normally come right back up. Great customer service for the times when I needed it. With their use of the forums and Twitter it was always easy to reach out to someone who could be of help.

I had issues with Nova. I know that it runs on Aurora so it’s different and I was trying to get used to that. But I seemed to have problems with teleporting and crashing to the point where after going in the first few times I just never went back. Plus the fact that nobody talked to me there. I landed in a spot where the owner and some others were standing there talking and nobody bothered to welcome me or even acknowledge that I was there.

HB: Which grid has the best community feel?

I think every grid has their bad apples, bullies and meanies. People who just can’t enjoy themselves unless they are making someone else’s life a living hell.

The InWorldz community spirit screams out at you when you first arrive. It’s hard to miss. You land for the first time and mentors are there to welcome you and tell you about free items and answer all of your questions. I met so many of my friends on that grid and I am so blessed to have met such nice people. Because most people like and trust the founders the residents want to make it work for them. So everyone pitches in and tries to help and be patient while they wait for updates to make things even better.

OSGrid is my favorite for myself at the moment. The reason for this is due in large to the community. The people who have taken me in there and allowed me to be part of their world there are so sweet and caring and good to me. I am OK with not selling my items anymore. I love being part of something like OSGrid and being able to create things that are needed. I have to feel needed… I kind of thrive on that.

maria@hypergridbusiness.com'

Maria Korolov

Maria Korolov is editor and publisher of Hypergrid Business. She has been a journalist for more than twenty years and has worked for the Chicago Tribune, Reuters, and Computerworld and has reported from over a dozen countries, including Russia and China.

  • Linda does amazing work and her contribution to people using OpenSim is invaluable. We are honored that she was willing to upload her creations to Kitely and we hope she will continue to spend time on Kitely as we remove the various barriers to adoption.

    Using Kitely should stop feeling like using a standalone grid very soon. The next big item on our roadmap is adding a list of public worlds sorted by the number of people currently inside them. This should help people discover other places they can visit and find other people they can meet inworld.

    Removing the requirement to log in via Facebook is the third big item on our roadmap (the second is enabling people to buy more Kitely Credits, which we currently give away for free).

    • Ilan,
      I didn’t mean to put Kitely down when I stated that it felt like a standalone. I know you are building your grid in stages and stablity is key and you seem to have done a great job with that. I am looking forward to a time when it becomes more social and I am sure it will soon. You have been so kind to me and so I am sure that people will be able to expect great customer service from friendly people at Kitely.

      • Thank you Linda,

        Saying that it feels like a standalone is an accurate description of how most people currently percieve our service so I completely understand why you would feel that way as well. Once we make it easier for people to start finding other people and worlds then I believe the many people who currently use Kitely separately will start doing so together and an inworld community will be created.

        I hope you will continue building your world on Kitely even before a community is formed. If you view the History tab in your Kitely account you should be able to see that quite a few people have already visited your world in the couple of days since you uploaded it. Your content is helping people personalize their avatars and build their own interesting worlds and I’m hearing how grateful they are for you making that possible. Please continue doing so.

        • Hi Maria and all –

          Been studying HB awhile now and learning a lot as I begin to officially make the transit migration from SL to OS. I’m unashamed to confess I am one of the ones squarely on the pro side of the fence that the consumer of goods/work should have as much right to transport and use the stuff they’ve spent real dollars on at their own discretion. I’m not opposed to licenses and all that as long as it’s not an additional trumped up version for content creators to get away with selling stuff AND forcing more cost onto a consumer. As for me, personally, my “thing” in SL was building. I’d go to a sandbox when I was “regionless” and actually set up a little platform of my boxed items with a freebie sign, and just go on about my business working. The ones who flew by to see what was up, even if they’d have been copybotters, could still click a box and get whatever of my builds they wanted. 

          My problem is how to get my stuff out of SL and to my machine and how to do all this importing – I’ve still not found a clear, helpful resource that explains in detail how to accomplish it – just ‘upload it’ doesn’t help because I don’t know what to actually upload or what format, none of that. I’ll learn it, obviously in time, but these little things need some resource for clear explanation or an easy button happy option. My goal, aside from my personal indulgence making a region for each of my awesome moods, is to resume building and distribute everything I do openly and freely to help generate content for OS users…and learn other things like hair and scripting. 

          I enjoy building but what I discovered about myself is I actually love developing whole sims. I’d buy a sim, develop it and no sooner than I was done, I’d tear it all down and do something else. Had I known of an option at the time to “save” those regions to be able to throw them back down at any point, I’d have started a whole other business in SL. It was less about traffic and sales for me and more about creating a masterpiece. With the awareness I can resume that and save the whole thing “as is” and share it that way, I LOVE that.

          But I don’t even know what an OAR file is or how to access it or what to do with it.

          Yet.

          One note on Kitely – I am intrigued with the idea and have visited a few times but always end up in a warped log in loop. I do have facebook, but have changed the name on it…and I have another acct for gaming and VW but it never actually changes the name. It auto logs in as some name I had over a year ago and I cannot erase it, change it, there’s no edit profile option I’ve seen…and in spite of downloading the plug in, it continues giving me a download plugin button.

          I’d also love the option of editing that whole page (provided I could get IN there to begin with), if it’s a user page…pimp my login page, basically so it’d be seamlessly branded with my site and my stuff without a bunch of obnoxious ads (I hate ads ;-p)

          I’ve cleared cache 50 times but the problem persists…it will not update, it will not even let me use my VW facebook acct, it keeps looping this old one I had at the beginning of the year I only used for testing purposes to check it out the first time.

          Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.

          • Clover —

            Sorry to hear about your problems with Kitely. Sounds like they would be perfect for you — you can create and build on as many regions as you want, and save them as OAR files with one click. Can’t beat that!

            However, if you’re looking for regions to build and save, Nova is also a good option — for less than $6 a month, you get a full region — 45,000 prims: http://aurora.4d-web.eu/supernova/?p=14

            Expect to pay more for regions where you want to have a lot of traffic, or a lot of scripts. But for $5.95, what do you expect? Nova also makes it easy to export your region as an OAR file — you can save the whole region, clear it, build something new, save that, load the first OAR, or build yet something new. Not as easy as Kitely, but not too bad, and I’ve heard good things about their support. 

            If you’re a little more technically adept, you can run as many regions as you want, for free, on your own computer. The Diva Distro is great, and I recommend it highly, as well as Sim-on-a-stick. You can have the regions just for yourself — build, save, build more. (You can then sell or give away the finished OARs, if you like.) If you open your ports, you can also hypergrid-enable your OpenSim and teleport out to other grids, and you can even connect your regions to OSGrid and other open grids.

            Meanwhile, here’s how to export and import items. I recommend using the Imprudence viewer. The instructions are here: http://aurora.4d-web.eu/supernova/?p=14

            The major restriction is that you have to be the creator of the object and ALL ITS CONSTITUENT PARTS — all the prims, textures, etc… Scripts don’t get exported — you have to cut-and-paste them to move them over.

            There are also companies that export entire Second Life regions, at prices starting at $80 per region. More about that here: http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2010/10/vendors-offer-second-life-to-opensim-migration/

          • Some more ideas about logging into Kitely — can you erase the cookies from your computer, and create a brand-new Facebook account? 

            Or you can wait a month… I believe Kitely is about to roll out other login methods.

          • HI, thanks for the feedback.

            I’ve cleared the cache and cookies a dozen times for various reasons and usually keep logged in to my new fb acct. It’s just that when I get on Kitley and connect it automatically logs in as a former acct that I used originally, and in spite of the plugin download, there’s no world showing, just constantly “login with facebook” button. 

            I can definitely wait. I’m not ready for any launch by any means, just taking time sorting through all the info.

            One more question – is there currently, at all, anywhere other than kitley, a browser plugin that can connect to an OS? My goal is to build the world I have in mind, probably going with a dedicated server so I can have more traffic without stress, build a site dedicated to that world, with a page dedicated to logging in via the web to go into the world, right off the page, but able to interact and even build, store inventories, etc. same as with a viewer. I’m personally used to a viewer but it makes it all so isolated from the web. I’m eagerly looking forward to a real option for web access, but have only heard of 4 –

            kitley, which I can’t access regardless apparently, but that’s the general idea. My other issue with kitley is whether or not that login page can be pimped out, edited, customized, so it doesn’t look like you’re exiting the site to enter the world. That kind of break in consistency tends to put a damper on the immersive mood.

            spoton3d, which I heard has developed a browser but my two issues there are figuring the web plugin or whatever it is only accesses regions associated with them and not for general use purposes, and because of the patent controversy – much as I love the web browser option, anyone seeming that hell bent on being a parasite in an open source world isn’t getting my business whatsoever. 

            Unity, which I did try out one this one guy’s place but it had no real viewer options like building, the avatars were ugly and uncustomizeable, and the page was a lot like Kitley’s so it looked bland and ugly. Once inside the world, the only thing I could do was move around looking at stuff, nothing else seemed to work, and then it kept crashing…so that’s not working

            some “I” something out of Japan I think, but seems like a dead site, what little of it is in English ;-p

            Somebody needs that open source web browser option with full viewer capabilities so we can go in world via a web page and build and enjoy.

            Any other options for this or news on anything better? 

          • PS no offense intended to kitley on bland and ugly ;- just an observation and question about editing that world page either way, but since I can’t log in or access anything, I honestly don’t know if it’s an option or not. Seems all the kitley pages I’ve encountered are that three column blue and orange theme with big buttons, a video that doesn’t play…and no “edit page” option.

            Hopefully Kitley would consider that customization and branding option – it would go a LOT farther in simple aesthetics to be able to brand that viewer page specific to a site’s theme, and add modules of sorts for various things the user would like, such as like wordpress plugins, or the facebook live chat, or the like. Something a user can select and add to the page, customize the theme, layout, modules – that would be ideal and I guarantee Kitley’s appeal would skyrocket with general net users.

            Just saying ;-p

          • Clover —

            Yes, you can edit your world page. Take a look at this one: http://www.kitely.com/virtualworld/Maria-Korolov/Linda-Kellie-OAR-v2

            Kitely also has a logout button at the top right. When I clicked it, I was able to sign in again from scratch — giving my Facebook email address and password again. I think I could have signed in with a different Facebook account at that time.

            Meanwhile, for plugins, SpotON3D’s is it. And it’s a very very nice one — but only works if you rent land from them, and they’re a pricy vendor. Not to mention the whole patent thing. Plus — no hypergrid access.

            You can ask them if you can rent just one standalone region from them, and have it hypergrid-enabled, so your visitors can come into that region, then use a hypergate to go into your other grids, which you host yourself on your own servers (or rent from another hosting provider). 

            Or you can start a campaign to get someone else to create an open source version of their plugin. Apparently, all the basics are already out there — it just needs someone to pull it together. That’s what some Second Life users are doing to get mesh clothing that fits — and what the developers behind Kirsten’s Viewers are doing to fund ongoing developments.

            Links:
            http://www.indiegogo.com/Mesh-Clothing-Parametric-Deformer-Project (just reached its goal!)

            http://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/investment/the-kirsten-s-viewer-project-480

            If you do start this campaign, I can recommend some sites to use to organize the donations, and can write up an article about your efforts, and Tweet about it to get the word out. I think this is something that everyone can get behind.

          • Thanks for the replies. 

            I love the idea of a web based embed, but not thrilled with SO3D. I can’t support that and it’d put me back in the same situation as with SL, locked in. 

            As for the campaign to get someone to make one…if I thought I had enough pull, I’d be all over it. I know there are bigger fish out there who could come to the rescue. Surely someone out there would recognize this is needed and get on the ball.

            *adds to wish list* 😉

          • Hi Virtual Clover,

            No offense taken, we’re always open to suggestions on how to improve our service 🙂

            As Maria stated, you can already customize how your world pages look and more will be done to improve that in the future. We also intend to eventually enable people to embed the Enter World buttons into third-party websites so you’ll be able to place them on your blog, website, etc. just by inserting a simple HTML snippet.

            BTW, I answered your support request on our forums. Please follow up so we can help you overcome the problems that are currently preventing you from using Kitely. Different Facebook accounts can be used to access Kitely from the same computer so it would be a shame for you to miss out on our free beta period due to some trivial matter we can probably resolve together.

  • Sarge Misift

    I have incorporated Linda’s OAR into Excelsior Station. Once it is online and open to the public, people will arrive at the Linda Kellie Welcome Centre.

  • Walter Balazic

    You’ve done a wonderful job on OSgrid Linda.  We couldn’t be happier to have you there, and you have enhanced that grid in more ways than we can tell you.  Thank you not only for your wonderful content, but for giving others there homes and land when they had none and being such a beacon of kindness and creativity to the OSgrid Community.

    • Walter, You have done so much for me to help me on OSGrid and I want to thank you for that. It is YOUR kindness that has allowed me to share with others. You brought me there and given me use of your sims and I will always be grateful for that. Not to mention how you spark my creativity. 🙂

  • Dear Maria,

    is this some way of conveying that OSCreations is distributing infringing content? If so, then I’d like to hear your opinion on how to improve on that, or what you would consider “safe”.

    Greetings
    V

    • For the record I would like to say that OSCreations is what inspired me to do my website. I do love the fact that there are different creators there and at first thought about just seeing if I could post my stuff there until I realized how much stuff I had. It’s a wonderful site and I am always recomending it to people. Until a friend showed me your website I had no idea that it was even possible to export .xml files and share them. I had always used stored inventory to back up my things before. 
      I know this has nothing to do with the question you asked Maria but I just wanted to rave about your site while I had the chance 🙂

    • Vanish — 

      No, no, not at all. I’m just saying that anyone can upload content to OpenSim Creations. If its infringing content, and the creator complains, you guys will take it down — but there’s no prior review.
      At LindaKellie.com, all items are her original creations (also the case for the ReactionGrid OAR, and Neb’s Universal Campus OAR).

      For corporate or educational institutions, where it’s important to have clear licenses to content, it’s nice to have the creator affirm the provenance of all the items. Especially given the large and well-organized collection of content that she has up.

      Personally, if I was building something for a corporate client (or boss), I’d want to get content directly from creators (maybe even get a copy of the license in writing). Linda Kellie makes it easy to contact her and confirm permission. 

      On OpenSim Creations, many post items under pseudonyms, and with no contact information. Occasionally, people post content created by others. 

      From a corporate risk perspective, that can be problematic. 

      That doesn’t mean there’s any infringing content on the site. In fact, given the site’s visibility and high profile, it’s highly likely that any infringing content would be quickly spotted and taken down, and this is why I list OpenSim Creations (and FleepGrid Shop) among my recommended content sources. 

      However, all other things being equal, it’s safer to get content from the original copyright holder.

      Let me give you an example: A few months ago, I bought some nice hair from a reputable SL merchant for use on my company grid. When I contacted the merchant to confirm that she created the hair herself, it turned out that she was reselling another creator’s hair — and the original creator had abandoned that hair and left Second Life. There was no licensing agreement in place. And just because a creator says something like, “I’m sick of all the copybotting, I’m out of here!” it doesn’t mean that she’s lost the rights to her work — in fact, without a copyright assignment contract, she still owns the copyright and can return and enforce it whenever she wants. Now, going after a random copybotter in Second Life might not get her anywhere. But if a corporate executive shows up at an event wearing that hair (say in a publicity still or press release) — especially on an event on a private grid where the original creator knows there were no legitimate sales — well that’s a different story. A corporation is a prime target for public embarrassment, or a copyright infringement claim.  Now multiply that by all the items a company needs to have for a company grid — furniture, plants, buildings, clothes, avatars…. The more careful you are with provenance up front, the fewer hassles you’re going to have down the line.

      • V —

        You also asked how to improve on that. Companies like iTunes and Amazon that distribute digital content (movies, ebooks, music) have contracts in place with legal entities that have distribution rights for that content, or with the original creators themselves. 

        Opensource projects like Apache (and, now, OpenSim) have their contributors sign agreements licensing their work to the projects.

        If you’re planning to turn OpenSim Creations into a business, I recommend doing something similar. And, if you’re going to be turning it into a paying, iTunes-style business, that you ensure that you have legal contact info for all the content contributors (as well as tax info, etc…). 

        You should also — if based in the US — register the site as a Safe Harbor under DMCA laws. That way, if infringing content does show up, you won’t be legally liable (as long as you have a clear process for taking the content down). Just having a process in place isn’t enough in the US — you have to pay a small fee and get a registered agent on file with the US Copyright Office. (This article is about making grids a Safe Harbor, but it also applies to websites — and, in fact, the law was originally designed for that: http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2010/11/is-your-grid-a-safe-harbor/)

        Of course, this might all be overkill if OpenSim Creations stays a small site where folks share their creations with one another. But if OpenSim suddenly goes really big (that kid working away in his basement finally comes out with the 3D version of Netscape we’ve all been waiting for) then a solid legal footing might be a good idea.

        Another option is to have contact information for each designer who uploads content (you can set up an anonymous email box for your creators and forward their messages to them) so that corporations that want to get licenses for their grids can contact creators directly and do that. You could also send visitors to creators’ own websites, where corporate clients can contact them directly. Creators can then use OpenSim Creations as a way to donate some content to the community while at the same time promoting themselves (and, say, the higher-priced content available directly on their websites).

  • Anonymous

    I see OSC more as a swap meet for creators and developers, and not so much as a business location, so at least for now some of those comparisons seem excessive.

    “set up an anonymous email box for your creators”
    Would be useful – anyone can easily join OSC themselves and pm the uploader, but this would be easier still and more satisfactory

    “send visitors to creators’ own websites”
    The facility is there on OSC – members can include a website in their profile, if they have one, and some do.

    One thing I like at OSC, the upload process includes selecting licence options, and translating this to a CC licence. It’s not perfect, but it does help reduce the ambiguity which tends to be a feature on 3D websites and in 3D worlds.

  • Re: Linda – in a nutshell, I recently learned about her site a few nights ago and enjoyed browsing the items on offer and really appreciated seeing this kind of generosity. I’m honestly growing annoyed with the content creators that just constantly whine that someone might copy their stuff, it’s starting to sound more like whining fencepost reactionaries that prevents their real message from getting through. So seeing Linda come along and go “here, enjoy” for the sake of creating and sharing is a serious breath of fresh air more content creators could stand to emulate…it shouldn’t be all about money…isn’t is the art itself at root?

    Anyway, point 2: what Linda is doing is exactly what I have in mind myself to do, but probably more full region oriented. Question: if I built a full region for offer, scripted, just make the whole environment and give it away, will the recipient be able to change things up, remove things, reorganize, modify any of it, customize it at all or is it automatically “stuck” the way I made it? I’m pro customization, so I’d hope it’s a case that if they don’t like some such thing on it, they can delete it or pull it, or modify it to their liking. I got the impression somewhere that the regions with stuff on it already ready to go would end up more like a region full of “props” that don’t do anything and the recipient is responsible for scripting everything, adding sounds or media, and it’s a world full of google sketch up props. If so, then it doesn’t sound as fun anymore…

    • Clover — It depends on the license terms. If you distribute your region OAR files with a license that allows modification — like the Creative Commons license that Linda uses and that OpenSim Creations uses — then folks who get the OAR and upload it can modify it.

      But, technically, regardless of the license, anyone who uploads an OAR can do anything they like with it because of the way OAR imports work. 

  • twitch166310

    Linda is a superbly wondering, warm and generous individual. I can attest to the ugly nature of some people on OSGrid. After watching some of these so called regulars in action, I have no reason to doubt Linda was mistreated by some of them.

    The ones i speak of are heinous evil individuals that lie, batter, and stalk others even after people have left the grid. Witnessing users talk about where Linda has gone to, how she is on others grids, even creating accounts to stalk her on the current grid she is on in order to report back to others like it is one huge immature game to them.

    A group of us considered using this grid as a place for a virtual campus of higher learning.But we were smart. We took the time to observe the general demeanor of the small community there. Its shameful how a large majority of them behave. The discourage alternate lifestyles such a gay, furry, plushie lovers,neko, or anything that is not human male and female relationships. They will bash you for being who you are if it does not fit their expectations.

    So Ms. Kellie, if you survived this group of people and moved on to a better happier place, then Kudos for you. Life is a good place with you in it dear, and we welcome you into ours.
    Keep smiling, keep being who you are, and do not let these people wear you down. They are cowards and bullies.