Rivers Run Red leaves Second Life for Kitely, Unity

Rivers Run Red was a pioneering 3D content development company in Second Life. No, make that THE pioneering content development company.

The company brought major brands to Second Life — and was featured in a Businessweek cover story.

Just last year, Rivers Run Red had about 30 regions in  Second Life.

(Image courtesy Rivers Run Red.)

No more. Its Second Life regions have been moved to Kitely, with just one region left in Second Life.

“It’s the cost,”  founder and CEO Justin Bovington told Hypergrid Business. “Clients are not prepared to have a multi-sim environment in there that’s costing them $300 a month — plus the money for our work.”

Kitely gives his clients what they want, he said.

“It’s an on-demand service,” he said. “The clients aren’t looking to committing $2,000 a month in sim charges. In this economic environment, that’s not easy to justify.”

By comparison, Kitely payment plans run from $5 to $100 a month per user.

Kitely costs vs. Second Life

Say a company has a region in Second Life. That’s $1,000 a month in setup costs, plus $300 a month for the hosting.

For the same amount of money, you get three top-tier user accounts, with 100 regions each and unlimited usage. So that’s a total of 300 regions — 300! — with up to 100,000 prims each and maximum capacity of 100 avatars. Plus unlimited use for three users. Plus 15,000 total Kitely Credits — enough for pay for 250 hours of access for clients a month, after clients exceed their two hours of free usage a month.

And that $1,000 in setup costs can be put towards more credits, since Kitely doesn’t charge a setup fee. For $1,000, you can get enough Kitely Credits for pay for another 5,000 hours of usage.

Or you can keep the $1,000 and have visitors cover their own access costs — the first two hours a month for each user is free, and after that it’s just 20 cents an hour. Or you can put it towards additional regions — each region over the allotted limit is 10 cents a month, or $1.20 for an entire year.

The Immersive Workspaces platform in action on the Second Life Grid, which at its peak had over 30 companies using it on the SL Grid and Second Life Enterprise. Now being ported to OpenSim, with a new version planned for Unity in 2013. (Image courtesy Rivers Run Red.)

At 30 regions, Rivers Run Red and its clients were spending more than $100,000 a year in Second Life. The same 30 regions are $50 a month in Kitely — or just $600 a year. That plan includes up to 250 hours of user access a month.

And, these days, Rivers Run Red clients don’t spend too much time working in-world.

“Historically, most of the people we used to deal in companies were the in-world evangelists,” said Bovington. “They were very hands-on and wanted to be hands-on. They wanted to make objects. But they’ve moved on now. They just say, ‘Build it, make it right, create a solution and product for us. We’ll give you the budget for it’.”

Rivers Run Red currently plans to have 35 regions in Kitely, plus different versions — and sees no reason not to increase it to 100 regions.

“We have a budget to do a lot more experimentation work,” Bovington said.

Next gen virtual world training and feedback systems in OpenSim and Unity, not only is this system designed to help train commercial solar panel installation teams, each panel also acts as a 3D data visualisation of the operating conditions of each panel and network in the field: with visual alerts and highlights faults and pre-emptive failures. (Image courtesy Rivers Run Red.)

According to Kitely CEO Ilan Tochner, Rivers Run Red currently uses the same access controls and interface as available to all users, and all regions are part of the same large Kitely grid, though direct region-to-region teleports are not currently supported and, as a result, Kitely regions look and feel like small, independent worlds.

In the future, however, companies will be able to get their actual independent worlds from Kitely.

“We plan to develop organization accounts which will include, among other things, support for virtual girds,” Tochner told Hypergrid Business. “A virtual grid is one where an organization get the benefits of being in the Kitely universe but retains control of which worlds people from that organization can access and which people from outside the organization can visit the organization’s worlds.”

Meanwhile, the fact that Kitely regions are accessed via its Website, already gives Rivers Run Red some options.

“We’re setting up private front ends, that enable a more seamless experience,” said Bovington. “The idea is that teams, groups, or clients can have a consistent brand experience from the first click to their content. We’re calling this Private Front Ends. What has been missing [in Second Life] is a direct relationship with their own content and the ability to get to it more securely, quickly and without the worry of being bumped to starter area or other content provider.”

Collaboration and rapid prototyping

Kitely is a good fit for Rivers Run Red’s clients, who use their regions for rapid prototyping of environments such as store and airport layouts and hotel lobbies.

“We really like what Kitely is doing, we think they have the right business model, particularly for people like us,” said Bovington. “It allows us to be in control — and our clients to be in control of what they’re doing.”

For example, Kitely allows users to instantly download entire regions as OAR files, or upload existing OAR files, or make copies of existing regions.

“Being able to back it up and give it to the client within two clicks — we couldn’t do that in Second Life,” said Bovington. “We can do that now. It sounds like an obvious thing, but it’s been a barrier for people.”

And it’s not just about the backups.

“One of the things we’re really excited about with Kitely is that it allows us to do versioning, which has always been an issue in the Second Life environment,” he said.

In Second Life, region owners looking to repurpose a space have to take down the old content, and put up the new environment, or use cumbersome work-arounds such as rezzing devices.

With Kitely, Rivers Run Red can save multiple versions of a particular build, or save previous experiences and return to them at any point.

“Our clients can see iterations over time and revisit,” he said.

A typical customer project would be to create a section of a supermarket in order to model different product placements. Rivers RunRed would build the environment, and clients would come in to see how it would fit together, how it would look from different angles. They would also take photos or videos of the environment to incorporate into PowerPoint slides or marketing presentations.

“It’s years ahead of what they were using before,” he said. “They were using 2D schematics or incredibly expensive 3D Studio Max fly-throughs.”

Large scale store layout example of 150,000 sqft retail scaled stores with category layout for testing, development and external clients and suppliers. (Image courtesy Rivers Run Red.)

Some even create physical mock-ups for supermarkets, he said. “That’s incredibly costly and wasteful.”

OpenSim isn’t the best platform, however, for big public meetings. The public isn’t ready, the companies aren’t ready, and the interface needs work.

According to Bovington, the sweet spot right now for virtual worlds is smaller events than can be repurposed and amplified in other media.

“We don’t think it’s suitable as a mass experience,” he said. “Instead, get 25 people in a space, have a seminar, record it, and put it on YouTube as an amplification system. Keep it controlled, keep it small, and use other media to magnify it.”

Meanwhile, some Kitely critics have condemned the company for only allowing access to Facebook users. More login options are in the works, but, as of today, Kitely uses Facebook credentials to generate avatars for new users, and Facebook groups for fine-grained access control to individual regions.

The Facebook access hasn’t been an obstacle for Rivers Run Red clients, however — just the opposite.

“It really does help,” Bovington said. “Now, most clients are telling us they’re allowed to access to Facebook at work because that’s where their audience is, that’s where consumers are living.”

Facebook access also significantly speeds up the first-time user experience.

The big move to Unity

The other big shift for Rivers Run Red is towards Unity, which allows immersive, 3D environments to run in a browser or on a mobile device.

“Unity where 90 percent of our work is now because it’s scalable and it’s also a product which we can make a product from,” said Bovington. “We can re-badge it, re-purpose it, and get it out there under a license.”

Although Unity is popular for public-facing marketing environments and 3D games, Rivers Run Red clients tend to use it for internal collaboration and training.

As a result, Bovington said, Rivers Run Red is working on porting its Immersive Workspaces environment into Unity.

Unity isn’t a platform for fast prototyping, however. Bovington said it’s used mostly for projects that are going to be “in cement” for at least six months.

For example, the company is using it to create facilities training modules that can be accessed on tablet devices.

Unlike OpenSim, Unity requires professional 3D development work, and takes more time to develop and create virtual environments.

“It’s a longer production line, and we’ve had to up our game in terms of our abilities,” Bovington said.

Part of Second Life’s history

Rivers Run Red bought the first commercially available Second Life regions, an island, in 2003.

“We were the first in and last out, in terms of a commercial development company,” Bovington said. “It was called Avalon. Since we were the first company to come in, we had protesters. It was the first-ever island, sitting just off teh main mass of the mainland. Nostalgically, we’re holding on to it. But I’m going to see over the next couple of months if I can justify the fee to keep it running.”

Avalon was also the site of the company’s first project, a big music festival for the BBC.

Another early project was the use of Second Life to mock up scenes for the Disney feature film The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

“We realized that it was a fantastic rapid prototyping tool,” Bovington said.

Rivers Run Red predated other Second Life development shops such as Electric Sheep and Millions of Us.

During the peak years of 2006, 2007 and 2008, the company was behind two-thirds of all commercial projects on the platform.

Herman Miller from Rivers Run Red/KinseyWhitehous on Vimeo.

One of its best-known products was Immersive Workspaces, which integrated the Second Life environment with Web-based collaboration.

“We did it as a product with Linden Lab three years ago,” he said. “It was going to be used as a Second Life Enterprise product, as well as on the [main] grid itself.”

However, Linden Lab discontinued the Second Life Enterprise product — which allowed companies to set up private grids on their own servers — in the summer of 2010.

And clients weren’t interested in running meetings and having employees collaborate on the main grid.

“We were thinking it was going to be used as a mass collaboration environment, a public-private park,” said Bovington. “But the clients really wanted their own closed worlds. They had proprietary information and data, and couldn’t afford to have anything be allowed out.’

Collaborating in a big public space was “idealistic,” he said. “It doesn’t hold sway with CTOs.”

“I’m not taking anything away from Second Life,” he added. “It’s still a great product. It’s just that the market has moved on considerably. And Second Life as a brand has got a few bits of trouble now as to what it means as a brand. Is it a consumer world, a role playing world, an education place?”

At conferences, when people talk about Second Life, they talk about it as a platform — but not as a solution, he said.

Rivers Run Red's consumer work with Coca-Cola and Avril Lavigne for the launch of the Virtual Happiness Factory, also winner of multiple awards including a Webby. (Image courtesy Rivers Run Red.)

The last consumer project the company did in Second Life was in 2008.

“It has been successful, and it has given us a fantastic amount of learning, but it’s time to move on.”

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Maria Korolov

Maria Korolov is editor and publisher of Hypergrid Business. She has been a journalist for more than twenty years and has worked for the Chicago Tribune, Reuters, and Computerworld and has reported from over a dozen countries, including Russia and China.

  • This is great news for Kitely! and understand RiversRunRed move. Clients will be in a most secure own controled environment.
    Exiting this will be.

    • Thank you for your kind words Joja 🙂

      • Saffia Widdershins

         Ilan – I’d be very interested in doing a Designing Worlds show on Kitely

        • Hi Saffia,

          We’d love to be on your show. I’ll contact you directly for details.

  • Neil Robinson

    Secondlife is toast for companies. It’s usable for educators, who are willing to accept lower standards for cost savings, but for companies it’s too unreliable to be trusted. Nobody wants to authorise a spend on something that might be offline or bombarded with giant floating penises when the boss comes to see where the money went…

    Killing enterprise was the final nail in their coffin. 

    • bombarded with giant floating penises when the boss comes to see where the money went… 

      Hahah…I still never got to see that in action. I understand it’s not what you want your boss or parents to see but personally, I’d have LMAO over it. For weeks. But then, I’m a little twisted like that. 

  • fare well Justin. We loved Avalon to bits and the RRR team 🙂 If your ever in InWorldz  look me up and say  hi 🙂

  • I think the departure of Rivers Run Red is
    another nail in the slowly closing coffin of Second Life and Linden Lab.
    The Lab botched their foray into business and education, by failing to
    deploy and integrate tools for mainstream business and education and
    instead, opted to try and woo Fortune 500 Corps who already had superior
    collaboration tools in place.Linden Lab has also #FAIL ed to create a VAR
    program or engage the reseller channel, to help them promote, expand and
    integrate the Second Life platform. Is anyone surprised businesses are
    moving towards platforms and providers who listen to their needs and
    provide innovative and cost effective Virtual World solutions as
    alternatives to Second Life?

    • Thank you, we do indeed try to listen and we’re honored that Rivers Run Red has chosen to move its business over from Second Life to Kitely.

  • wow, what a loss for Linden Lab – well too bad for them eh?

    hey on those solar panels! we have ones in Enclave Harbour that update every 5 minutes to follow the sun!  =)

    well, Kitely makes a world of sense and is even less expensive than running your own server. i knew that once Kitely started charging they’d see business like that – people want security and when you pay for something, it seems safer and more stable

    nice job Rivers!!!  =)

    • Thank you Ener,

      We’re making good progress with email/password based logins. If there are no unexpected delays you’ll be able to start using Kitely without Facebook before the end of the month.

      We’re looking forward to seeing you inworld once that happens. 🙂

      • Once you add megaregions, I may just set up Excelsior Station there. 30 regions would mean twice the room to what I’m working with now and at a similar cost to what I am looking at with an AuroraSim host.

        • Thank you Sarge, allowing bigger worlds is quite high on our todo list. We just need to get a few more things taken care of first.

  • Kitely rocks!  They have a sweet spot up and running.  Once a few more technical challenges are resolved I think they are going BIG rather quickly.  

    I don’t think FB only login is the most important personally although it would be quite wonderful to have relatively simply URL logins mediated by whatever the particular world provider needed/desired for authentication.  On the other hand, using FB id makes it much easier to keep a consistent user identity and thus things like inventory across all Kitely worlds without stopping to build out their own user identity system. 

    • Thank you Serendipity 🙂

      We plan to provide an API for third-party user authentication and authorization in the future, so it should just be a matter of time before people will be able to do what you suggested.

  • Yet another sign that Linden Lab desperately need to find their own new sweet spot in pricing; they are long past the “oh isn’t that a cute little alligator” stage, and for the price they continue to charge for a private sim it should be the size of Long Island. Or maybe just a little bigger.

  • Great article. It details the switch from the more amateur-oriented environment of SL (where everyone is at the same level) to environments that favor professional design shops. My question is (as always) more or less energy consumed by the vWorld initiatives than the real-world equivalents? Is sustainability improved?

    • It depends on what the real-world equivalent is. If the real-world equivalent involves driving, or flying, then a virtual meeting saves a significant amount of money and natural resources. If the real-world meeting involves renting hotel space then, again, you’re saving on disposable water bottles, heating and cooling costs — as well as transportation.

      If the real-world meeting involves paper hand-outs, you need to add those to the savings, as well.Running a virtual world environment takes minimal incremental resources — it’s very likely that the computers and servers used would have been running anyway. Or, in the case of Kitely regions, the incremental cost is that of an additional Amazon EC2 instances, and cloud computing is, as a rule, generally more efficient due to virtualization and consolidation, than traditional computing.There’s a nice presentation from GigaOm on the topic here: http://gigaom.com/cleantech/-/greennet-09-presentations/jonathan-koomey/

  • Hi there,

    Can anyone help with a query I’ve got about porting a SL environment on to Kitely? Is this even possible to ‘port’ a SL environment in it’s entirety to another platform?

    Thanks