The Adult Grid connects to Kitely Market, Podex

The Adult Grid became the second major closed grid to connect to the Kitely Market, the grid announced today in a press release.

Zandramas, another closed grid, did the same this past April.

The Adult Grid — like the name suggests — features adult content. It came in second in the best overall score in a survey of OpenSim users earlier this month, second only to Island Oasis.

“This benefits our residents by opening a much larger selection of content as we continue to grow,” the grid said in its announcement.

Allowing Kitely Market deliveries means that its residents now have access to the thousands of exportable items on that marketplace, which have been growing at an annual rate of 205 percent.

The Adult Grid has also been growing — the grid does not publish its active user numbers, but the total number of registered users has grown from 988 in mid-July to 2,494 today. This, combined with the “currently logged in” numbers, leads to an estimation for active monthly users of 450 or more, which would put the grid on the ten most active list.

(Image courtesy The Adult Grid.)

(Image courtesy The Adult Grid.)

The Adult Grid residents need to be in The Safe Zone region in order to accept deliveries of Kitely Market items, the grid said.

Residents will also need to create Kitely user accounts, if they haven’t already, and provide their payment information. Kitely allows users to connect quickly via Facebook or Twitter, or to create a traditional, email-based account.

Merchants based on The Adult Grid can put their own stores on the Kitely Market and sell to The Adult Grid, Zandramas, and 150 other hypergrid enabled grids, by registering for a free Kitely account and uploading their content. Kitely has free uploads, and offers sandbox regions — titled Kitely Merchant Sandbox — where merchants can assemble their products. There are no listing fees, but Kitely does take a commission on all sales.

“Currently there are large content providers already listed with Kitely and their product available to our residents already giving us the ability to find items that we would not normally have at our disposal for an extended period of time,” said The Adult Grid. “We are excited to see some of these options within our reach now and wish to extend a warm welcome to Kitely.”

Halloween themed items on the Kitely Market.

Halloween themed items on the Kitely Market.

The Kitely Market currently lists 3,201 products in 6,251 different color, style or price variations. Of those variations, 2,692 are exportable to other grids such as The Adult Grid.

It’s not only public grids like Zandramas, The Adult Grid, and all grids on the hypergrid that enable their residents to shop the Kitely Market.

Ilan Tochner

Ilan Tochner

Some private grids — such as grids owned by schools, companies, groups and individuals — also connect to the Kitely Market, Kitely CEO Ilan Tochner told Hypergrid Business.

“It’s fairly simple for a close grid to enable deliveries, he said.

If you’re an owner of a closed grid, and want to enable Kitely Market deliveries for your residents, the instructions are here.

The Adult Grid also connects to Podex

In other shopping-related news, The Adult Grid has also partnered with Podex for virtual currency trading, joining InWorldz, Avination, Virtual Highway and Zandramas.

That means that of the top seven commercial grids that have redeemable currencies, all but one — Island Oasis — are now using Podex. Kitely’s KC currently is not redeemable, and Kitely Market merchants have the option to sell their products directly for US dollars if they want to cash out.

Under U.S. law, and the laws of many other countries, a company offering a redeemable virtual currency falls under financial regulations, while companies offering only purely fictional game tokens are exempt. In this United States, for example, this requires registration with FinCEN as a money transmitter, plus compliance with all the different state regulations, in additional to global anti-money laundering regulations, and the local laws of every country in which they have users.

Although OpenSim grids are currently too small to attract much interest from regulators, using a third-party service like Podex, which is based in the U.K., helps insulate grids from financial and legal liabilities, and positions them well for future growth.

The Podex office on The Adult Grid is also located in The Safe Zone region.

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  • hack13

    This is very awesome to see more grids hook up to Kitely. It really allows for the merchants to sell across multiple grids with ease.

  • Rosie Lavochkin

    Well I can’t speak for other grids, but for us (T.A.G) it’s all about offering our members as much choice as we can without turning on hypergrid. But mostly – because I like shopping >.>

    • Michelle Argus

      And what is the reason that hypergird is disabled? Its definitely not disabled to give your members more choices.

      • Rosie Lavochkin

        I’m not going to touch on the whole debate of content security as its been done to death on many different venues and everyone has their own feelings on it of course.

        However, The Adult Grid is a strictly adults only environment – there are situations and events on that grid where nobody would wish a minor to be. Whilst nobody for an instant can pretend youngsters don’t already get hold of adult content, it is (for me) absolutely essential that people on The Adult Grid have signed up in the full knowledge that the content is primarily of an adult nature, that they have read and understood our TOS, and that they have stated categorically that they are over 18.

        Whilst some committed hypergridders may find the mere concept of a closed grid distasteful, I hope on this one occasion they can understand our reasons and forgive us. (Or at least just ignore us)

        • Seth Nygard

          While I appreciate thinking not having hypergid turned on protects content and keeps minors out of adult grids the simple fact is this is not true. It is however your right to chose to keep the grid closed, just please don’t expect that everything is still “safe”.

          There are ways to have HG visitors accept a specific TOS for a grid they visit. In fact I have seen this done already and if not agreed to you promptly get kicked offline.

          Hypergrid visitors have more restricted rights to content than do local grid users and content protection is easily handled in various ways. Preventing hypergrid visitors in fact does not protect content. I will not go not any specifics but there are various tools and methods that
          can be used by those that want to steal content bad enough – they can and will get
          it one way or another.

          The false sense of security that a closed grid may offer IMHO is more based on fear and misunderstanding than it is anything else. I do however respect your right to operate your grid as you deem necessary. I personally feel however that remaining closed and preventing hypergrid in fact limits a grid’s real potential in many ways.

          • The sense of security may, in fact, be false (except when it comes to scripted items — this is an area where the extra protections do make sense, because many scripters haven’t moved to server-side development yet). But you can’t wave a magic wand and have everyone instantly see the light. It takes time for creators to get comfortable with distributing content over the hypergrid.

            And the clock starts not when the new security features are released, but when those creators first come to OpenSim and first start experimenting with hypergrid delivery. So everyone is on a different clock, and new arrivals from Second Life are starting out with the SL approach to things. And as long as we have new arrivals — and I hope we will! — that educational process will keep starting over from the beginning.

            Which is okay. And this is an excellent reason for closed grids to continue to exist. They offer a first step for many folks who are new to OpenSim. They can take their time and first get used to the idea of multiple grids. Then get used to the idea of content filters on hypergrid-enabled grids. Then take that last step towards hypergrid distribution itself.

            You can’t rush people. And you certainly won’t convince anyone by poo-pooing their concerns. You convince people by taking their concerns seriously, by giving them the tools they need to address those concerns, and giving them time to become comfortable with those tools and to get enough experience with them to see that they are effective.

          • Seth Nygard

            In no way do I want to poo-poo anyone’s concerns and I do truly believe that content protection is a good thing for everyone. But part of giving people the necessary tools is to openly educate everyone on what does or does not work.

            I disagree that having a grid without hypergird does anything to help with any form of education around what may or may not contribute to content protection. This is especially true when I see/hear that a gird is keeping hypergird turned off as a mechanism to help control content protection. That serves to only strengthen the message that hypergrid is a bad thing. When I see/hear people keeping hypergrid turned off as a way to help control content I am reminded of what a very good friend’s father who used to be a locksmith always said, “A locked door only keeps out an honest thief.”

            I do think there are valid reasons for wanting a grid to be closed, but content protection should not be one of them. I also very strongly believe that hypergrid access is one the great features of OpenSim. It is one that can help build a better meatverse for everyone.

          • I think if we were able to magically wave a wand and make all grids instantly hypergrid-enabled, it would simply result in an exodus of creators back to Second Life, or out of virtual worlds altogether.

            Many creators follow a path like this:

            They start out in Second Life
            They expand out to a couple of grids that remind them a lot of Second Life — InWorldz, Avination, other closed grids
            That works okay, and they start exploring other grids, first as just a user, getting comfortable with the technology and the communities, and notice that other creators are out there and doing well
            They put up a couple of items for sale on the Kitely Market or on some other open grid
            They wait and see how that works out
            If it goes well, they expand their hypergrid activities

            Some people go through all these steps in a matter of weeks. Others take months or years. Either way, they need a variety of grids — with a variety of security systems. The closed grids are helping to contribute to the growth of the hypergrid by giving people a familiar place where they can start.

          • The more important aspect, that of the rank and file users who make up the majority of residents, when you take content drama out of the equation as we do in the free Meta, those people who find the hypergated meta [whether commercial enterprises who are open in whole or in part…or those in the free Meta] enjoy themselves more fully simply because they see more clearly.

            Closed systems, by their very simple nature, seek to do otherwise and/or seek to keep power in less hands = more control.

            The antithesis of the net in general.

            While I can give you that they “help”; “closed grids are helping to contribute to the growth of the hypergrid by giving people a familiar place where they can start”, to my eyes this type of thinking is absolutely the opposite of what really should be promoted.

            Give people the ways to to find out all they can of the options, firstly, help to open their eyes to the possibilities, and THEN tell them you can be more limited in certain regards but here are other options either good or/nor bad, just other ones.

            There are examples of that trying to keep peoples eyes closed all over the closed grid systems…and, frankly, I don’t think it is doing them much good in any case, mostly traffic among themselves.

            But these comments here from some only prove my point.

            1) Why do we keep closed? because we want to protect our content.
            2) Do you know they are not protected there anyway? yes, we do.
            3) Why would you not enable hypergating? We don’t want to…period.

            But rather the impetus should be focused on giving people options, options and more options THEN let them choose wisely [or unwisely], THEMselves.

            The onus should be on closed systems to validate their own commercial interests rather than hypergate users have to do this continually. It is the opposite of proper reasoning in the matter.

            If a user, taking out the minority of content folx, has all the facts, and is shown all the facts, they can more easily make logical decisions as to what they like and/or like them all for various reasons.

            But yet the closed grids all say the same things over and over again “OUR content is better protected, OUR security is the best, etc., etc.”

            But rather a more positive conversation would be to get away from that in the get-go and talk up how people can have fun, or express themselves more or do pretty much what they want to do…THEN, if they prefer to be more restricted in exchange for “whatevers” are promised them, they at least had the knowledge to make an informed decision.

            So I think your premise is incorrect Maria, and only will continue the fermenting by people who seek to minimize knowledge of the full scope of what this OpenSim can do, to feel validated to do so, and it enables the continuation of that which is not a positive but a negative to growth.

          • You seem to be under the impressions that people make decisions based on rational reasons. Hah! Clearly, you’ve never met me!

            But yes, there are people out there who do things rationally. The majority of us, however, make decisions based on emotional reasons, then try to justify them.

            The way to address emotional concerns is with time, and with familiarity.

            I love the currently approach to marriage equality, for example, that the Supreme Court is taking. Yes, it takes longer. Yes, we’ve got a patchwork of laws where every state is different. But it gives people time to get used to the idea. They see neighboring states allowing gay marriage, and nothing bad happens. No apocalypse. More people come out, which makes them realize that there are gay people all around them, and that they’re perfectly nice people, and deserve legal recognition for their families. The opinion polls have been moving steadily in favor of equality for years now, and while there’s quite a bit of acrimony, it hasn’t turned into any major pushback. People seem to be getting used to the idea. When the Supreme Court finally makes a nation-wide ruling, the country will be ready for it.

            Time and familiarity. It will work for the hypergrid, as well. In fact, it is working. We’re seeing a trend of formerly closed grids opening up their gates. A trend of more and more merchants selling on the hypergrid.

            Could it go faster? Probably many of us would like it to. But the current pace of change allows individual grids and individual creators room to evolve. Which is a good thing.

          • Well, no, I don’t actually think most people are rational, but rather more emotional-)))

            So appeal to their emotional values.

            While your analogy is contemporary I am not sure it is quite the same.

            This being tech which changes quickly ofttimes, to my eyes it is very interesting that the SL type thing has gone on this long with, really, no actual changes in emotional values.

            People’s value systems often never change and almost always very slowly and it depends an awful lot on their surroundings and upbringing.

            All I am suggesting is that this HAS been going on a while now, and that the conversation needs to move along also….I mean, all one has to do is look and there are real and factual signs of growth either flat lining or falling. In that thing, alone, most of us can agree.

            So then it falls to reality to say these things;

            1) Why are people leaving?
            2) Why are not more checking this out?
            3) What are the causes of these things?

            etc.

            Rather than mimic the same old, same old lines.

          • Arielle

            This pony has been seriously beat to death on many occasions and the fact is that if there are those Grids who choose to remain closed to the Hypergrid, what is it to anyone else who does not feel so inclined? Isn’t there more then enough room for all of us? Personally I have no interest either in spending any significant time in a closed grid and certainly would not spend money in a place where I could not export that content to other grids should i choose to leave but I can understand that some feel differently about that. Yay for them.

            I have found in life that the more I try to convince others that my views are the right ones, the more entrenched others become in theirs. Attraction rather than promotion is ultimately the easier, softer way. Let’s focus on making the hypergrid something everyone would like to use rather than try to force them through guilt or manipulation to open their borders.

  • Zandramas Grid

    Great move 🙂 And good choice !

  • Zandramas Grid

    Closed grid meaning people cannot without referral/invite create an account. Has nothing to do with importing IAR’s and OAR’s.
    IAR’s and OAR’s will only be uploaded if the content is 100% created by the resident ( Filtered ).

    • Michelle Argus

      “100% created by the resident” which in theory is only possible if you keep a full record of all inventory and assets the resident every created or received by a resident within the same grid. This would even have to include all inventory/assets that was deleted. To filter all other content would require a huge amount of manpower to research the authenticity of the inventory. Thus it makes absolutly no sense to enable shopping via a market that offers items from other grids, especially when these items could come from an open grid such as OSGrid.

  • Then you [and SOME] don’t really understand what is going on. Perhaps if you did some reading on your own in HGB, or other places, your knowledge would increase.

  • I’ve definitely seen a lot of this — grids looking to attract content creators have to understand their emotional motivations, and putting your content out on the hypergrid can be very scary.

    Attitudes are slowly changing, however. Many more content creators are coming to understand that content gets copybotted from all grids. Specifically, when a hackers is going around copybotting, they’ll pick the juiciest targets first — and that’s typically the big, well-stocked stores in Second Life. They’re certainly not going to spend money buying the content first — why bother, when they can just steal it?

    Not selling content on the hypergrid means that a whole bunch of legitimate, law-abiding, money-spending customers — schools, businesses, roleplaying groups, startup grids, honest individuals — won’t be able to give you money, without doing anything to stop the pirates.

    I believe this is why exportables on the Kitely market are growing at three times the rate of non-exportable content — because the merchants who try it see their sales go up without a corresponding increase in piracy. If anything, having a convenient, legitimate place to buy content would only reduce piracy.

    So, over time, I think the fear motive will start to fade away.

    Plus, I’m seeing more and more grids experimenting with export filters. This means that only some content is allowed to leave the grid. The restrictions vary on a grid-by-grid basis. Some grids will only allow you to export your original creations in your OAR and IAR backups or take with you on hypergrid trips. Some grids will also allow you to take full-perm items. This makes it easy for creators on those grids to decide whether to allow their content to travel or not, or allow some of their content to travel, while keeping the rest of their content local.

    Other grids are going for a hybrid model — a welcome region or a club region is hypergrid-enabled, and the rest of the grid closed off, for members only. This allows the public to come in for promotional events, and allows local residents to travel out, while keeping most of the grid private and secure.

    Adult grids in particular have to be very careful with this. Say I meet someone in a virtual world, and we develop an adult relationship and interact in various adult ways and decide to meet up for more adult hanky-panky. And I show up at the bus station with a bouquet of flowers and a bag of toys — and am met by my would-be lover’s parents and the cops. Will they really believe my excuse that they said they were 18? Isn’t that what every creep says who stalks kids online? Sure, kids can sneak into adult-only forums as well, but at least I have something concrete to point to — that this was an adult-only site, and that I had every expectation of meeting only adults. If a grid is hypergrid-enabled, and I know that kids can just teleport in, I’m going to have to be a whole lot more paranoid about my online interactions. I’d probably have to insist on Skype Video chats where they hold up their driver’s license next to their face — and that would probably take a lot of the romance right out of it!

    • I am pretty sure I read that the HG can be turned on for outbound only?