AviWorlds turns off hypergrid — again

AviWorlds, a commercial social grid with a history of experimenting with business models, is putting a stop to its latest experiment with the hypergrid.

This is the fourth time, by our count, that AviWorlds has turned hypergrid connectivity on and off. The last time was this spring.

Hypergrid is the system that connects many OpenSim grids together — more than 150 at last count — allowing avatars to teleport between grids as easily as they do between regions on a grid. The hypergrid also supports friends, instant messages, inventory access, groups — and also has access to the Kitely Market.

In fact, according to this week’s OpenSim hosting survey, 81 percent of respondents said that the hypergrid was their favorite feature of OpenSim.

Alexsandro Pomposelli

Alexsandro Pomposelli

According to AviWorlds CEO Alexsandro Pomposelli, the important stat isn’t the 81 percent who appreciate the hypergrid — but the 19 percent who don’t.

“Which is probably composed of shop owners,” he told Hypergrid Business.

“I see no problem with hypergri travel if the grid is a free grid like OSgrid or Metropolis,” he said. “But when the grid is a commercial grid there are problems. Trust me I know because I have tested this over and over. The shop owners in the grid are not excited about competing with creators from other grids and especially free stuff. And then people will not buy the currency and will not spend it. The grids economy becomes weak. Plus, I want to create exclusivity for my residents.”

AviWorlds rents out regions, currently at $20 for 15,000 prims, which could be arranged on one region, or a four-region variable-sized region.

(Image courtesy AviWorlds.)

These hypergrid gates on AviWorlds are all shutting down. (Image courtesy AviWorlds.)

In other news this week, Pomposelli briefly announced that he was selling the entire grid to one of the grid’s creators — but that sale fell through.

“I’m back as the founder and CEO,” he said. “AviWorlds needs me.”

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Maria Korolov

Maria Korolov is editor and publisher of Hypergrid Business. She has been a journalist for more than twenty years and has worked for the Chicago Tribune, Reuters, and Computerworld and has reported from over a dozen countries, including Russia and China. Follow me on Twitter @MariaKorolov.

42 Responses

  1. arpholdings@gmail.com' AviWorlds says:

    Yes the 81% that like hg travel are travelers and do not contribute anything towards a commetcial grids economy.
    The 19 % that do not agree are the ones who understand that a commercial grid cannot and should not jeopardise its economy by allowing imported products into its markets.
    I did my homework as you all know. 4 times I stepped on the sand and this is my final approach and result.
    You want HG? Then go to a free grid. A commercial grid that allows free imported items into its economy will fail.

    • krhoft@ymail.com' Doc Falworth says:

      It is obvious AviWorlds has taken a stand as a commercial grid and that is a decision that any grid owner must make.
      It seems to me that if 81% of my populous wanted this or that for the benefit of the community, it would carry some weight with my decision. But there again, Aviworlds has tested this option and found it to be non-contributory.
      This is where I find the contribution factor rather confusing. Competition between grid creators is indeed to the benefit of the residential community of any grid. High quality free items do precisely what to the grid economy? I fail to see the relationship.
      If the creators on my grid can not compete with other grid creators, then maybe they should re-evaluate what they have to offer in terms of quality, quantity, and price. Simple business practices. It pays to give in order to get.
      Any grid needs to have a friendly outward community of residents, and a constant influx of perspective new clients. Not everyone is ready to jump on the bandwagon at the first landing point of a grid. First impressions are important, yes, but how a grid performs in many other areas is where most decisions are made to become at the very minimum a temporary resident, or hopefully a region owner.
      Hypergrid visitors are not bad people, they are welcome visitors to your grid. Some may be grid owners themselves, so to reference them all as non contributors, is a horrible mistake in my humble opinion. Have you ever met someone on your grid who is a grid owner, or grid administrator, or staff from another grid? I have, and more than once. I have met creators, DJ’s, and a host of other talented people who just happened to drop in for a visit. Yes, we have attracted Hypergrid griefers as well. It seems every crowd has at least one, but that is no reason to label everyone as a poacher or griefer.
      I did not respond to chastise your decision, only to offer a different view.

      • chic@justaboutanywhere.come' Chic Aeon says:

        Two observations. Aviworlds was a no export grid with for the most part very little goods and services that any sort of discerning folks would buy. I had a fair amount of money as I left that grid. Was there anything to spend it on? Nope. Few items of any sort of quality. I was much better off going over to Metropolis and Craft to the best creators there I have found. If there were things that were worth buying in Aviworlds, I would have happily saved myself the effort.

        Alex boasts that creators are coming in now that he has closed the grid. I did a brief tour after the announcement of the closing of the hypergrid and noted that several of the better content creators had left the building. Many of those that are still there have left their shops as unfinished as they were a month ago with very little or in some cases nothing to buy.

        Maria gave a very calm interpretation of all the drama that happened this last week. I am guessing that is why some folks left. It is certainly my reason. Others lost their land will less than a day and almost no information (if you didn’t happen to read the blog and know you had to release your property THAT DAY you lost it).

        For anyone interested (and it is fairly entertaining) you can read up on the long thread here: https://plus.google.com/+MikeHart_Next_Reality/posts I hope that works. Still new to Google+.

        I don’t regret venturing over to Aviworlds. It was indeed an interesting drama to watch. Still, we are in some ways judged by the company we keep. Time to move on — or back in my case.

        Chic Aeon

        • arpholdings@gmail.com' AviWorlds says:

          I fired Mike yes I did. I had my reasons. Now I have to keep a CEO that did nothing on the job ??
          Please go fishing will u?

      • arpholdings@gmail.com' AviWorlds says:

        The competition is within the grid. It is the one that does not discourage the creators to create. Exclusivity also plays a big role into this. Trust me I have tested this many times. If you want an open grid then u should not have a money module. People will not buy anything.

    • orion@pseudospace.net' Orion Fhang says:

      In my humble opinion any grid that seeks to clone Second Life is bound to fail. I keep seeing all these mom and pop garage based operations popping up squabbling and spamming for users. I’ve even signed up with a few to see what all the fuss was about. Each time I’d log in guess what I’d find? The same old horrible looking prim builds, nobody around, the same old Linda Kelly freebies, and maybe a few silly NPCs hopping around to make the place look populated.

      In short, no different than SL’s mainland – practically abandoned, littered with bots, and chock full of low quality items left over from the last decade.

      Why should I as a consumer lock myself into a proprietary world with a proprietary currency where if I buy something inside that world I can only use what I purchase inside that world? Forget whatever trust issues I may have regarding reliance upon someone
      else’s backups, server stability, and sustainability as a company. I’ve been burned enough times by the Lindens and other grids to fall for that scam again – no thanks.

      Running my own HyperGrid sim empowers me to have full control over my world, my inventory, and my creations – simple as that. If really I want something so bad that I need to buy it, I’d much rather go over to TurobSquid and shell out $10usd for an item and license that I own outright and have full control over.

      My advice? Stick to a hosting based model and quit trying to recreate Rosedale’s little pipe dream. Closed grids with proprietary economies are antiquated, outdated, and quite frankly useless this day in age.

      • arpholdings@gmail.com' AviWorlds says:

        U just confirmed what I said here and why I made my decision! Because of people like u .

        • orion@pseudospace.net' Orion Fhang says:

          And you sir have confirmed the initial impression that I formed back when I visited AviWorlds via HyperGrid a few weeks back.

          When I first went over there, I thought “Oh cool! They’re looking to follow the Kitely model and allow HG people to explore and contribute!” … Until of course I tried to explore and found that just about every region outside of the entry sim was blocked to HyperGrid users. The malls, freebie, and shopping areas I could understand and forgive – yeah sure whatever – their creator base is probably a bit paranoid. I’m sure as you gathered by my last post, the point of my visiting wasn’t to go “freebie shopping”.

          In the end, what finally made me give up and ctrl+shift+h back home in disgust was this. I ran through my usual litany of searches – “mall, hangout, club, sex, adult, games, bowling” and found nothing of interest. What I did find was blocked. Then on a whim I searched “wicca” and was surprised and actually excited to find there was indeed a Wiccan community on that grid. Until of course I tried to teleport in and found that like everywhere else on Aviworlds HG users were blocked.

          After that, sorry but I never bothered to return. Why would I when the only thing accessible was the entry sim? On the plus side – hey, your entry sim was kinda pretty for an older prim based build?

          • orion@pseudospace.net' Orion Fhang says:

            ** Ok – I just spent the last hour cobbling this out in response to a reply that seems to have been deleted. Therefore this may be a bit out of context but I’m submitting anyway not only for the fact that I spent so much time writing it but even out of context I feel it still has some bearing to the conversation. **

            I don’t hate Aviworlds and honestly I could care less what policies you choose to implement. I personally was responding to your war cry of “A commercial grid that allows free imported items into its economy will fail.” while sharing my experiences with OpenSim grids in general (closed or open). Given the logic of your response you in turn must hate the HyperGrid therefore no matter what good it does you will always judge.

            As far as I’m concerned you guys are the same as the majority of the other grid owners out there – low budget personally funded startups responding to the needs of a radicalized user base that fled SL long ago over some meta-drama or another. I’ve played the “grid owner” game before and I remember what it was like. Always having to deal with strange and twisted stuff the likes of:

            “Hey, I’m an adult behind the screen. I refuse to identify my real life self to prove I’m an adult but regardless I demand that you let me participate in your sexual roleplay game while I dress my avatar as a child.”

            “Can I have some free land because I have this awesome idea that will bring hundreds of users to your grid! *insert convoluted explanation of said idea here which may likely involve lude acts performed with barnyard animals*”

            “I have a grid with thousands of users (in reality a total of ten) that I started when my sim on SL closed due to *insert drama here*. I really like your sims and your hardware runs so smooth! What do you say we merge?”

            “Dude, I’m a furry. I demand that all users who dress their avatars like cartoon animals get special rights because we’re a persecuted minority.”

            Forget the plethora of other “issues” regarding copybot, DRM, economics…

            In the end after a series of drama fits from one camp or another (forget having to deal with a whole lot of creepy “refugees” from SL that made my skin crawl) I just gave up. I stopped maintaining my setup and let it rot until a hardware failure finally took it offline. And yes gang, for the record Pseudospace was likely one of the first to suffer from the dreaded “RAID” failure back in 2010.

            After that I took some time away, went on vacation back to SL for awhile, and wound up re-evaluating my intentions for starting a grid in the first place. Originally I was of the mindset “Ok, I have the tools and I’ve learned how not to run a grid from my time on SL. I can do it better than Linden ever could!”

            In the end I came to realize that the structure of an SL / OpenSim grid is really quite complicated given that its modelled as a 3D version of the world wide web. Sim = web page, viewer = web browser, prims = images / html, LSL = javascript, economy = PayPal, search = Google, inventory / assets = ftp site, chat / message = IRC / email, groups = newsgroups… Literally all of the facilities of the internet as we know it rolled into one neatly complicated little package.

            When I came up with the idea of starting a grid it never occurred to me that not only was I assuming the responsibility of a hosting provider but given all of the facilities involved I had also taken on the task of acting as a content creator / provider, payment processor, search engine, storage provider, communications provider, etc. All jumbled with the twisted roles of community coordinator, moderator, lawyer, politician… A little much for one person working with a team of 5 friends volunteering to help out!

            In the case of the web, all of these tasks are handled by separate entities – each specializing in that specific service. As a hosting provider you give your customers with a web server and its up to them to hook into whatever outside services they need. For search they register with google, chat they register with Skype, email they hook into HotMail, etc. Its up to them to maintain and moderate their own community, deal with their own legal issues, etc.

            In this day in age it would be insane for any company to say “I’m going to create my own private internet for you to put your content on so you can share it with my customers.” Would you sign up for a closed service like AOL or CompuServ this day in age? Would you actually want to create a closed members only internet like AOL or CompuServe? That is exactly what you’re doing when you create a closed grid be it commercial or otherwise. From a business standpoint it makes no sense, nor does it make any sense what so ever from the standpoint of maintaining one’s sanity or mental health with all that it involves.

            For that matter, this day in age it would be equally as insane for any content creator to say “I’m putting my content exclusively on AOL or CompuServe because its too easily pirated on the internet.”

            For crying out loud come on creators… Why on Earth are you guys charging $0.15usd for what you’re making by selling on one specific platform (SL, commercial OpenSim grid, etc.) when you could literally make 100x that by selling your creations out on the internet for people use on any world / platform for the going rate of $15usd+ a pop? Are you guys seriously that paranoid that your work will be pirated that you’re willing to devalue your work that much in order to lock into the securities provided by one little online service? Seriously, run a Google search for 3D models and look at some of the prices they charge for the EXACT same things you’re practically giving away for pennies. Only difference is they include a license with their models. The procedure when they find someone who violates that license is IDENTICAL to the DMCA take down procedures currently in place by just about every grid out there.

          • geir.noklebye@dayturn.com' Geir Nklebye says:

            To your last point of on making 100x by selling 3D models on other commercial sites vs for a pittance on SL / Opensim:

            While you are right and many actually do both, it is not necessarily the same thing because the 3D models produced for SL / OpenSim would only be able to sell as game ready / low poly (with a few exceptions) and these models mostly have a much lower price point per piece and the volume is low.

            It is possible to model a medium poly model and successfully reduce the polygon count to the level required for SL/OS but even that is a lot of additional work. Using a decimator will in most cases produce horrible mesh and even more so if you come from the high poly model that commands the high prices.

            Texturing a high poly model is quite different from texting a low poly model where for the low poly model you have to create additional maps to compensate for lack of geometry, and for it to be efficient on the viewer and sim. Even medium poly models rarely use textures less than 4000×4000 resolution. For use in a game the texturing is even more complicated as they have to be as optimized as possible not to slow down the game engine. The game texturing is not very useful in SL/OS because of the dynamic lighting whereas in a game you have static lighting and bake shadows and lighting into the texture.

            Most SL/OS content creators don’t make a living from their content, but provides it on a hobby basis only. There are a few hundred making full time livings in SecondLife though.

  2. geir.noklebye@dayturn.com' Geir Nklebye says:

    There is a difference between shaving and cutting your head off.

    Since Hypergrid allows an operator to filter which grids they want to take visitors from, there should be less impact to your local economy by allowing visitors from grids that already have their own economy.

    Although going completely closed may help your local grid economy in the short term, in the long run it will stifle it because it is unlikely your own grid residents and merchants will be able to produce the selection an open economy will. You also risk your residents will see better looking, better working, more functional and cheaper items on other grids, and moving is pretty easy these days. For merchants and content creators time is always a factor and time can cost at lot. For a closed grid to re-develop large sections of content is very costly.

    Merchants participating in a open economy are also able to sell their creations to other grids, which can offset the competition from other merchants.

    To mix grids with internal economies with free / freebie grids is probably not such a great idea.

  3. gridmaster@hypergrid.org' Lena Vanilli says:

    Statistics are a bit funny. In Germany, at every seventh fatal car accident was alcohol involved. That means, six out of seven motorists were sober. So, I suppose, that we all should drink alcohol while driving! To lower the rate of fatal car accidents! *lol*

    Sorry, for this (old) joke. 😉 But I guess: the statistic is okay, but the interpretation is wrong!

    I think, we should learn from the Web. The Web (“Internet”) is (almost) free for all. But is it non commercial? Surely not! It’s the balance between free content and commercial merketplaces. The mix will make the difference!

    At Metropolis, we don’t have an own marketplace. That’s our philosophy. But I know, that many Metros love to buy some nice things from commercial marketplaces, like Kitely.

    Could you imagine what would happen, if all things would be free? The things would loose any value. And vice versa: if you have to pay for everything, you probably loose the interest. So, the mix makes the difference.

    I am sure, that free grids with freebies and commercial marketplaces / grids could live in a perfect symbiose. The virtual folk need both to be happy. And that should be our (common) goal: Happy Customer! Happy Citizens! Happy People!

    And we at Metropolis are very happy, that grids like Kitely, 3rdRG and others opened their doors! Well done!

    And the hypergrid is the place were we meet us. 😉

    Have a nice third advent!

    • Hear, hear!

      Just like in the real world, sometimes something free is just fine, other times, you want to spend money on something nice.

      In my house, I have a nice couch that I paid more money for than I did for my first car. But I also have other couches, where my teenage kids hang out with their friends and with our dogs, and those couches came free from relatives.

      In the virtual space, I don’t mind having a free Linda Kellie house in my residential region. She does nice things! But I want a custom building for my company offices, and will pay money for it — but then furnish it with freebie Linda Kellie furniture. When I go on TV (like on the InWorlds Review show) I always like to buy something nice from the SL Marketplace, instead of wearing generic freebit outfits that everybody has.

      Personally, when evaluating cost vs. satisfaction, I compare the virtual good that I buy to supermarket checkline line tabloids. Those magazines are usually around $2 or $3 and have enough gossip and celebrity pictures for maybe an hour of browsing. (My primate brain loves looking at pictures of celebrities, and is willing to pay money for it! Just like real monkeys!) So when I look at a new outfit I ask myself — will this provide more satisfaction to me than that tabloid magazine? Will wearing it make me happy?

      Wearing freebies does not usually make me happy. They’re freebies. Unless they were particularly difficult to find, and are rare, and nobody else has them. Otherwise, wearing freebies is like wearing… hand-me-downs, or something cheap from a thrift store or a Walmart. Good enough for some cases, but nothing to feel particularly special about.

      I’m all for freebies. I think they really help people get started, and are great for schools and companies that need a lot of generic content very quickly, and don’t care if its unique. Freebies also mean that people have more money to spend for the custom-made products, like branded or designer clothes, or custom buildings.

      And we all have limited budgets. So, at the end of the day, a user with access to a broad range of freebies can spend the same amount of money and wind up with a MUCH nicer experience.

      Fortunately, I have the choice of where to go — as everyone in OpenSim does. Those who want freebies can go to places that have them, and set up their homes or offices on grids that allow access to the hypergrid and to lots of freebie stores. Those who want the Kitely Market have a LOT of grids to choose from that accept Kitely Market deliveries — including some closed grids!

      And that’s really my favorite part of OpenSim. The ability to choose what kind of virtual environment I prefer.

      • gridmaster@hypergrid.org' Lena Vanilli says:

        Thats it, Maria!

        By the way: With the joke I meant Aviworlds and their interpretation of the statistic. Just to clarify! 😉

        • arpholdings@gmail.com' AviWorlds says:

          Well I better have 19% that pay then 81% that dont. Its just very clear to me…:)

          • peter.idunno@gmail.com' Hans Nerido says:

            is it true from your 19% run over 70% an shop on the grid ?
            so about 13% run an shop and the last 6% pay for all ???????
            good luck :-))
            its not my grid, but I wont miss the 81% and the HG visitors

            and for all homeless members osg will be back in a short time,
            grid and asset servers runs now 🙂

      • arpholdings@gmail.com' AviWorlds says:

        A closed commercial can have a strong free content as well as a paid content. But.the trick is to have the creators offer their free content to attract customers.

      • arpholdings@gmail.com' AviWorlds says:

        Maria what happens when a country keeps importing more goods into its economy and nothing is made inside that same country? That is my answer.

    • kenny_follet@yahoo.de' Slowhand says:

      Right Lena, we dont need AviWorlds. !!! Hypergrid forever !!!

  4. susannah.avonside@gmail.com' Susannah Avonside says:

    In my opinion a bit of a silly move. Okay, at the moment HG travellers might not contribute much to a commercial grid’s economy, but is that just becuase of the issue of different virtual currency systems, (many commercial grids seem to go for the arrogance of their own, often unconvertible, currency which is problematic if you are a regular HG traveller) or that the one really sorted system, VirWox isn’t sufficiently rolled out and part of the OpenSim Metaverse scenery? It’s also a bit chicken and egg. If people want a money based economy to survive, then there have to be items that people want to buy, and mostly in OpenSim there is a dearth of decent stuff worth buying, and being OpenSim, it’s often that there are much better quality freebies available than overpriced tatt. The Kitely Market is different, but sensibly Kitely have realised that in order to function properly their market needs to be open to the Hypergrid.

    Greedy creators may not like the idea of an ‘open’ grid, but the genie is out of the box, and won’t go back in. Close your grid by all means, but don’t expect many users. The more enlightened creators who don’t rip people off with the prices they charge, and who come to HG enabled OpenSim grids may well be pleasantly surprised. Many of us would be more than happy to pay a reasonable amount for decent stuff. What we won’t do is pay through the nose for the kind of tatt that get sold for extortionate rates. In my view the biggest obstacle to having a functioning OpenSim economy is a) the lack of knowledge that there is a cross-grid currency, and b) accessing it. There is also the issue of there, at the moment, not being a huge amount to spend one’s virtual currency on – the few grids that do have VirWox almost never have anything worth buying!. I created a VirWox account around 3 years ago and transferred 1000 Lindens to it – thus far, three years later I still have a balance of 1000 C$

    The Second Life economic model was fine for Second Life, but it just doesn’t work for most other grids. Only InWorldz has had some success using a similar model, Avination has been pretty much a dismal failure if user numbers are anything to go by – it’s actually been quieter than most HG enabled regions and grids I visit, and that is saying something.

    But I guess there will always be those who have a similar mentality to the North Korean leadership. Fine, I guess if you are that way inclined then a virtual dictatorship is better than an RL one; it might even be therapeutic!

    • Frank Corsi says:

      3D Virtual Web, Inc does have a cross grid currency! GT (game tokens) are active in many grids and growing fast. (now in ATEKGrid.com, Inworldz.com, VirtualVanguards.com, greatcanadiangrid.ca, TanGLEGrid.com, DarkDealmsGrid.com, SoonerVerse.com, and even in SecondLife ) GT’s are easy to use and with zero transaction or exchange fees, GT’s will be a fast growing cross grid virtual currency. 1000 GT = $1 usd. Over 5 years of development into this virtual currency platform. GT’s also offer avatar credit! Shopping Credit cards, personal and business loans are available. Check it out at ATEKgrid.com, it has just been integrated into this new open grid now.

      • peter.idunno@gmail.com' Hans Nerido says:

        Atek is like an fake grid,
        the servers are slow like an death horse, to upload an 1.3gb oar for an var it needs over 12 hours.
        if my server send the items faster as 768kbit/s the atek server do not aczept it and reduct the speed back to 768kbit/s.
        Hg ? yes they have an HG, but closed for your inventory. if you do an jump you are naked on the other side,
        but hey on the other grid the guys have a lot to laugh 🙂
        don’t stay together with 4 friends on the mainland, you got than an very nice lag. we stopt the time it need 3 minutes before you can see the text in the chat.
        I told this the grid manager, really the name was grid manager lol, he said my pc is to slow.
        my pc ???????? he is an fool lol
        I have an new intel 5820 cpu and 32gb ddr4 ram only for the viewer, that’s not enough ????
        he said that is enough your internet is to slow. so its my internet ????
        I have an down from 100mbit/s and up from 12mbit/s, its sad to say but its not enough for the atek grid, damn.
        nothing works on atek not even the webpage to contact an admin,
        but like Frank said
        THE MONEY MODULE WOKRS !!!!! maybe, but I wont try it with my slow internet and pc

        • Frank Corsi says:

          Freely connected land from your server had slow internet connection to the Cari.net datacenter where we have our robust server, when you tried to upload 3.1 GB IAR. From point A to point B somewhere across the internet that day had a bottleneck.

          We now offer IAR upload from the member control panel. Everyone seems to be happy with this new solution.

          • arpholdings@gmail.com' AviWorlds says:

            Freely connected land to a grid is a drag on the grids server, polution will step in once people start to connect and then move regions to different coordinate and plus the fact that many do not know how to upgrade their regions and that will make the grids quality poor.
            And the most impacting reason not to offer that is because it brings no capital to the grid. It is like a flea sucking blood from your flesh.

          • peter.idunno@gmail.com' Hans Nerido says:

            the iar upload works now ??? gosh you need only 6 week to fix it, an awesome speed 🙂

            ………….the internet that day had a bottleneck. I talked with other selfhosters and it seems only we have this bottleneck. my friend load an oar, was about 250 mb, need over 1 hour and got “only” 650 slow requests from your server. like I said the server is an death horse.

            the most from your Everyones I found a few days later on an other new grid and your right it seems they are happy now 🙂

          • Frank Corsi says:

            ATEK Grid has only been online since Nov 21. There is not much we can do about the connection speeds from the internet providers around the world. We do have 850 mbps up and down from our servers.

          • arpholdings@gmail.com' AviWorlds says:

            Frank that is only one of the problems by allowing people to connect. They dont think that way. They blame you the grid. You will have a lot of problems and questions and people with doubts that dont know what they are doing. Just a pain. then you will have to be cleaning your maps because it will be full of old map images..etc etc..Not worth the work for something you will not make money on. Meantime I have sold 4 regions since I have closed the HG.

        • arpholdings@gmail.com' AviWorlds says:

          Like i have said many times. Anything free cannot pull quality with it. Its standards are weak and plus the human nature tends to like money, quality and opportunities. Anyone who just expects to have everything in life free is just a vagabond.

          • cinder.roxley@phoenixviewer.com' Cinder Biscuits says:

            The funny thing about this is that OpenSimulator itself is free software. As is the client software used to connect to it.

      • arpholdings@gmail.com' AviWorlds says:

        When u cross anything it becomes weak. There is nothing better than a strong community that holds its own. Open grids are not going to be online forever unless they have no cost. Example is a home based grid. Which still will have a cost but not as a commercially structured grid.

    • arpholdings@gmail.com' AviWorlds says:

      U talk but say nothing. Show me what a hg visitor contributes that weights more than a resident paying a premium account and buying currency etc etc. All this is blocked if u have a open grid.

  5. Butch Arnold says:

    My take on the Hyper Grid choice is that it is one full of adventure and possibilities.
    I see each region as a city, each grid as a country. In the real world, if a city were “Walled” up and blocked from the rest of the world, only some would choose to live there.
    At 3rd Rock Grid, we have made several changes over the last couple of months, including rolling out HyperGrid.
    The combination of hypergrid, our low cost “First Land Program”, and the added features we’ve worked on have provided us with a very smooth and stable platform which our users and HyperGrid visitors seem to appreciate very much.
    I cannot speak for the others, but these changes have resulted in a spike in our “Local” grid signups, Region Sales, and our economy has grown.
    One of the benefits to going HyperGrid has been some visitors who never bothered signing up on 3RG for an account before hypergrid were now able to come and visit. The comments we’ve heard include, “Wow, I’ve always heard of 3RG but I never came to signup because it was a closed grid but now I wished I had found it long ago!” and “There are so many places to explore”, etc….
    The HyperGrid community can now attend our events and many have chosen to signup simply to tip the entertainers.
    I think as long as you provide an atmosphere for all users to enjoy and give your visitors a reason to stay and contribute, they will.
    HyperGrid and the other changes we’ve made recently have helped us and we look forward to our continued growth.
    We welcome all, but HyperGrid visitors beware…. you may not want to leave. 🙂

  6. arpholdings@gmail.com' AviWorlds says:

    Whoever says that AviWorlds does not have anything and that shops did not set in due to my decisions will now have to look and see that they are wrong. These are just a few shops. I am not going to place here all of them. But you can see that in AviWorlds you can sell and buy good quality products.

  7. adam01tim@gmail.com' Adam Time says:

    So I drop by there it was on my daily show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxbqDlZr8ro had no clue you was such a fine mesh maker and sculpter Alex. you Amaze me. All the stuff you created on that world.?

  8. I think its a bad move personally. Some of my best customers are hypergrid folk. I have had a few drop literally hundreds of dollars in one shopping session. I think the whole “hypergriders are vagabonds” idea is totally misplaced. People make do with free because free is whats available, but that’s not to say they wont buy stuff if it becomes a viable option.

    An abundance of free can certainly drive the value of paid content down (which has already happened in SL), but when I look around OS……and abundance of *quality* content is not what I see. Right now there are so many niches that are wiiiiiide open and there is plenty of room for both types of content.

    As others have rightly pointed out, you will never attract the volume of creators needed to make the broad range of content people expect. Things are getting better but we still struggle for basics in so many areas of OS and the first real significant headway I have seen anyone make with that situation is Kitely Market which of course fully embraces Hypergrid. Closing on 3500 items, over half export enabled. Can anyone else claim to have even come close to that?

    Even if hypergridders are not potential spenders, they ARE potential audience for your land owners. Which in itself encourages people to buy more stuff for the prestige factor. They want to make their regions as nice as possible for potential visitors, and I doubt many of them care if the visitor comes from hypergrid or not.

    That said, I do wish Alex success and hopefully a measure of stability will come his way soon.

  9. sargemisfit@gmail.com' Sarge Misfit says:

    Seems to me that Kitely has found a way to have HG and still have quality content, both free AND commercial.

    • trrlynn73@gmail.com' Minethere says:

      Well said Sarge. I would note that when I was in Kitely when it was closed to the hg, most people were using and wearing Linda’s things. This is not to disparage Linda, of course, but to point out that there was little choice or variety.

      And I often saw this in other closed grids.

      As TangleGrid is seeing, as 3rd Rock and Kitely have seen, variety in choices expand exponentially when hypergrid is enabled. Their previously locked in residents are able to wander the Metaverse and expand their awareness in all sorts of ways.

      Having experienced lock in, and lose due to it, I can see no valid reasons to NOT enable hypergridding other than to maintain control over one’s own residents, which is antithetical to the ethos of the net, imo.

  10. reina_benoir@earthlink.net' Reina Benoir says:

    Why bother? It’s only a matter of time until the grid completely closes up shop and then whatever money you put into it will have been lost once again. Them returning to closed status once again does the rest of us a favor. The fact that is is the how manyth time this grid has see-sawed in such a manner?

    This type of foolishness will make it hard to get friends to give open sim a try. On the other hand if I want to keep my friends I wouldn’t suggest Aviworlds in the first place.