Littlefield leads in OpenSim grid survey

More than 400 responses came in for this year’s Seventh Annual OpenSim Grid Survey, and Littlefield received the highest overall scores, followed by AllCity, Virtual Brasil, and DigiWorldz.

DigiWorldz also had the largest number of readers who said it was their primary grid, followed by Kitely. This is the second year in a row that InWorldz did not take the lead in the number of responses.

What grids our respondents consider to be their virtual home. (Hypergrid Business data.)

People rated 40 different grids, of which 11 made it past the 10-rating-minimum cutoff point.

The big difference in the distribution of responses, compared to previous years, is that InWorldz received fewer total responses than six other grids. In past years, it had always been the leading grid, since it is the most popular grid in OpenSim. This could be a reflection of the changing readership of Hypergrid Business, or the fact that InWorldz’ traffic advantage over other grids has been shrinking over the past few years. InWorldz’ share of all active OpenSim users has shrunk from a peak of 39 percent in 2012 to a low of 18 percent this month.

Overall scores of the 11 grids that had the most responses. (Hypergrid Business data.)

Write-in Littlefield makes a strong showing

With about 300 public grids (see full list of active OpenSim grids here), we only list the most highly trafficked as the default options in the survey, but respondents are free to also write in any other grid they want.

Each year, at least one write-in grid does extremely well in the poll.

This year, that grid was Littlefield.

Littlefield received a perfect score for support, and had the highest scores for technology and community. In content it scored a very close second to AllCity.

However, the fact that it was not listed as a default option means that people who did not choose it as their home grid did not choose it as a grid they had visited, either. That means that Littlefield didn’t make the list of most-visited OpenSim grids — even though it may have been, but people just didn’t think of writing it in among all the grids they’ve ever been to. Littlefield is hypergrid-enabled, and does regularly hold events that are marketed to the broader OpenSim community, so it’s highly likely that this survey undercounts this grid’s total impact.

OSgrid scored the worst overall of all the grids, with the lowest score for community, second lowest for technology and content, and third lowest for support.

I suspect that the reason is because OSgrid is a non-profit grid, run by volunteers, and anyone can connect a region running on their personal computer. Self-connected regions, especially when running part-time on underpowered computers, can be problematic for residents.

OSgrid is also the largest OpenSim grid by both land area and active users, which puts significant stress on both servers and support teams. Finally, OSgrid is the main testing ground for OpenSim, and runs the latest, bleeding-edge code. Testing out new features on a world the size of OSgrid is a great way to ensure that they’re stable enough for any other grid, but can negatively affect OSgrid residents.

Meanwhile, OSgrid, in addition to being the largest grid, is also the most visited. While only 29 percent of the respondents to this year’s survey said that OSgrid was their home grid, 74 percent had said they visited it. The grid’s welcome area, LBSA Plaza, is sometimes referred to as the “crossroads of the hypergrid” since there are usually people there, hanging out, helping other users, and answering general OpenSim questions for people from many different virtual worlds.

The following is a chart of the grids that were visited by at least 10 percent of our respondents. OSgrid has been visited by 74 percent of respondents, followed by InWorldz at 55 percent, and Kitely and Metropolis tied for third place with 51 percent each.

Most-visited OpenSim grids. (Hypergrid Business data.)

The number of people who had spent time on their own, personal OpenSim grid went up slightly from 15 percent last year to 16 percent.

Another score that went up was whether people would recommend their grid to others. Last year, 89 percent of respondents say they would do so. This year, that percentage went up to 91 percent.

Almost all respondents said they would recommend their home OpenSim grid to others. (Hypergrid Business data.)

Only 2 percent of respondents said that they would not recommend their OpenSim grid to others.

Littlefield, AllCity, Kitely and Virtual Brasil lead in technology

Littlefield, AllCity, Kitely and Virtual Brasil had the highest scores for technology, though none of them received a perfect rating.

“I have found that Ilan Tochner’s commitment to offering a reliable, robust service that is both fast and makes it easy for a user to create new worlds on the fly is unique in the OpenSim ecosystem,” said one resident of the Kitely grid. “The cost is competitive or better than anything else I’ve seen, and the company’s commitment to protecting creators rights while maximizing their ability to sell across the hypergrid is fantastic.”

DreamNation scored lowest.

Littlefield, AllCity, Kitely and Virtual Brasil get tops scores for technology. (Hypergrid Business data.)

AllCity, Littlefield, Metropolis get perfect marks for support

OpenSim grids tend to do very well with support since the owners and managers often have strong personal relationships with their user communities.

The three grids with perfect scores — AllCity, Littlefield, and Metropolis — are known for their relationships with residents.

“I’ve been there since day one,” said one Littlefield resident. “My sim has never gone down not even once. It’s lag free, and anytime I’ve needed anything the admins reply almost immediately. What more can I ask?”

“AllCity é a melhor plataforma brasileira,” said one AllCity resident, which translates to, “AllCity is the best Brazilian platform.”

“Very friendly support!” said a Metropolis resident.

DreamNation and InWorldz tied for last place in support compared to the other grids.

But these two grids, as well as each of the 11 grids that were ranked, had a “very good” or “excellent” overall score for this category.

AllCity, Littlefield and Metropolis get tops scores for support. (Hypergrid Business data.)

 Littlefield and AllCity get top community scores

Littlefield was ranked highest for community, followed closely by AllCity. Littlefield is known for its community of specialized content creators.

“The sense of community provides a wonderfully friendly and social atmosphere,” said one Littlefield resident. “Highly recommended for overall magnificent quality.”

Littlefield and AllCity get tops scores for community. (Hypergrid Business data.)

AllCity and Littlefield get best scores for content

AllCity, a grid based in Brazil, got the best scores in content, closely followed by Littlefield.

“This grid has the best BDSM content out there, and the nicest community I ever met,” said one Littefield resident. “Everyone is helpful and friendly. The support people are great also, they respond to any questions I have right away.”

Kitely came in third, and several respondents mentioned the Kitely Market in their comments.

AllCity and Littlefield rank tops for content. (Hypergrid Business data.)

Other Comments

The following are representative comments about the grids. There were 195 comments in all, some of them quite lengthy, and if anyone wants to see them, just email me at [email protected]. In addition to leaving out some of the repetitive comments, I’ve also skipped those that had negative personal attacks or that seemed libelous and edited out any personally identifying information.

3DLES

“The support is very fast, within a few hours it is all fixed. And the grid is running great.”

DigiWorldz

“Best grid I have ever spent time on. Support is outstanding and the people are very friendly and helpful. I have been on Digi for nearly two years and have never experienced any drama.”

“Best grid, of course!”

“Best value and absolute best customer support!”

“DigiWorldz is the best grid I’ve found. Cheap, friendly, works great, and fast help.”

“DigiWorldz is the best grid… period. Support is the best, more features than many other grids, stable, and great performing.”

“DigiWorldz is the best OpenSim that there is around. It even beats out Second Life. I have avatars in Island Oasis, Craft World, Great Canadian Grid, Kitely and last but not least, the best of them all, DigiWorldz 😉 Island Oasis occasionally, but the rest of my avatars that are in the other worlds that I mentioned here, kinda lie dormant. I am SO BUSY with DigiWorldz, I can’t keep up with all of them . . . hehe. DigiWorldz has the most friendly and most cooperative and helpful people of all the grids that I am on. Their things are not expensive, if not free.”

“DigiWorldz’s friendly, active community and excellent support make all the difference for me.”

“Feels like family with friendly people, fast help when I need it, and my region never crashes.”

“Great technical as well as community support certainly helps to make a person feel at home. I feel very lucky to have found a home here, where I feel free to create and follow my dreams. Compliments to the grid owner, and my fellow citizens for their kind and helpful attitudes.”

“I can not convey how much I love DigiWorldz. The community is like one large family which is so great to be a part of.”

“I feel that anyone that wants a drama free and friendly home grid should come and join us in digiworldz. I have been very happy about being there as a transplant from seven years in Second Life. It is so much cheaper to have land there and so easy to build there. Also being able to hyypergrid to other grids just to visit or shop makes it so nice.”

“I have been active in virtual worlds since 2006 and am currently in the process of moving my investment in virtual worlds to DigiWorldz, which seems to fit my interests best.”

“I would send any of my friends to this world. It is the best I found.”

“Nice people. Good value. Creative ways to rent land.”

“The best community, best support, best technology, best features, best stability.”

“This grid has great support – any issue I have needed help with has been solved in minutes.”

Dynamic Worldz

“One of the very best grids I have ever been to.”

“This grid is slowly growing, the people are supportive and friendly. The prices are great, I love it here.”

FrancoGrid

“FrancoGrid is a very good place to learn 3D modeling, residents are helpful and very inventive and creative, pushing OpenSimulator to its limits.”

Genesis Metaverse

“Does not provide service to meet reasonable expectations.”

Great Canadian Grid

“If your focus is community, the Great Canadian Grid is the place to be. People are more in tune with each other, more supportive. The grid owner goes to all lengths to make sure his residents are happy.”

InWorldz

“Despite your trashing reports on InWorldz, it still is — by far — the superior grid. As a content creator, trust in a grid and the technology is key.”

“I also own land at DigiWorldz, 3rd Rock Grid and Great Canadian Grid. They all are good in their own ways and I am so happy we have multiple grids in the metaverse to explore and do new projects. Each has its own flavor and variety is great. Also, the lower prices of the hypergrids give creators like myself more opportunity for new builds. Although, I am more firmly at InWorldz, I love my other grids too. Its like children, you don’t want to choose one over the other.”

“I have had homes on a lot of grids, and they all have lots of great things about them, but InWorldz is home to me.”

“I was gone for a while. I am amazed how lifeless things are now. There are more bots than people. No wonder they hide their stats. Second Life did the same thing when their numbers began to decline too.”

“Technology-wise, InWorldz server code has been rewritten for most of it and is now far from its OpenSim origins. It has best scripting engine (Phlox), best Physics engine (Nvdia PhysX), best sim crossings performance and reliability, and enjoys a vibrant, passionate community. A grid worth to invest in as a merchant, builder, or designer. It’s InWorldz Explorer Hud asset is also unique and not available in any other grid, with more than 800 verified locations under 60 categories, making exploration of the grid easy for all and not only newbies. Our scripts have double of memory here and execute way faster than anywhere else.”

“The founders should care more.”

Kitely

“Awesome community, great for beginners, very supportive, easy to navigate, awesome market place. Great for educators and family.”

“I have been on Kitely for six years and I would not change. I have 14 worlds I maintain on the Kitely grid, and the support, community and technology has been superb.”

“I love a lot of things about Kitely, but the lack of active arts and events community is a problem for me.”

“I’ve found Kitely to be the most stable, best for the price, best tech support – something I often need. I’m an artist, not really a techie.”

“Kitely has the best grid and market in all of OpenSim.”

“Kitely is the best functioning grid and has the added feature of an amazing online market that exports to most OpenSim grids. The support is the best I’ve seen on any of the many grids I’ve used. This combined with super affordable land makes it an A+. I want others to come and join me in Kitely and help it continue to grow and thrive.”

“My wife and I are very happy with Kitely. We’ve been using Second Life for over a decade and finally decided to give OpenSim a chance. After trying DigiWorldz, Inworldz, Great Canadian Grid and Island Oasis we decided to build our new home in Kitely. It’s the best alternative in terms of content and community, it’s stable and the customer support is amazing. The marketplace is also the best we’ve seen outside Second Life. Our only gripe is that there aren’t enough mesh avatars in it.”

“The community at Kitely is extremely friendly and interactive. There are premium entertainment and educational opportunities present Live every week. Technology and cost far better than Second Life, and technical support is par excellence!! Support issues are addressed personally and immediately by grid founders and gurus.”

“Thoroughly pleased that I moved various components of my medical laboratory training and HIV/AIDS awareness projects to Kitely in 2011. It has been an ideal grid to expand my ‘Real to Virtual; Virtual to Real’ vision for laboratory science and public health awareness.”

Littlefield

“Everyone I have met on this grid are friendly and helpful. Most beautiful builds in OpenSim.”

“FINALLY a real BDSM grid in OpenSim! Now I can leave Second Life!”

“I have been a member of Littlefield Grid for almost four years and in that time the management has always provided optimum performance and support. The range of content is superb and always updated and the sense of community provides a wonderfully friendly and social atmosphere. Highly recommended for overall magnificent quality.”

“It should be noted that Littlefield Grid admins actually live on the grid, and interact extensively with the other residents.”

“Littlefield Grid is a hidden jewel featuring so many uniquely themed sims. The sims are so cheap to rent, the prim count allowed to the user is amazing and the support is extremely professional, fast responses too. It’s my number one OpenSim grid since leaving Second Life.”

“Littlefield has by far the most effective and responsive admin team. The regions run smoother than anywhere else. I respect their content policy which makes me feel that they respect creators. And they are really friendly and welcoming, and fun to be around.”

“Lots of great role play and public sims to investigate. Great weekly dance party!”

“The content here is amazing and it’s all free, and all original content not like you see on any other grid.”

“The grid runs more smoothly than any other and the content available is unsurpassed, but the emphasis on COMMUNITY is what really sets Littlefield apart. This is a grid where people matter and they really take good care of us. It’s not a wild west situation like some grids, on Littlefield bad actors are not tolerated, and that means that it is a safe place. It is not just a tech toy for the owners; it is a welcoming, friendly community of real people. I would never live anywhere else.”

“This grid has the best BDSM content out there, and the nicest community I ever met. Everyone is helpful and friendly. The support people are great also, they respond to any questions I have right away.”

Metropolis

“Helpful people, good infrastructure, based in Europe — so short ping times for me.”

“I’m only interested in free grids, I’m not interested in payment grids. OpenSim should be free. Do not buy items in OpenSim.”

Mobius Grid

“Amazing place with a very welcoming community. Often funny punishments of trolls, greifers and hackers.”

“Mobius Grid is in a unique position because it taps a very large, mostly-untapped market in the form of an already-existing community, the Mobian — characters resembling the Sonic style — community, which already has its own unique traits and aspects. Much of the community environment does stem from the community it was based around on, though it’s not exclusively for Mobians. It’s a very good grid for a more gamer-oriented community, because the Mobian community stems from a video game franchise, Sonic the Hedgehog, and Mobius Grid does well to market itself as such.”

“Because it’s still in technological development and progress, Mobius Team isn’t out to market it publicly. Because of that, the in-grid userbase itself is often inactive most of the day, more of the activity centering on its chatroom.”

“It’s not uncommon to see the server completely deserted most of the day. This could be easily remedied with more community-based marketing approaches, because the Mobian fandom itself is already quite large as it exists, however not monolithic, many scattered throughout different communities.”

“From what I see, it has great potential, and already a burgeoning, positive community. Grid support is excellent, because the community members themselves are happy to assist *anyone* with issues, no less the staff themselves. ”

“Mobius Grid is pretty amazing, and have a super friendly community, people are very nice.”

“Staff and users of this grid are pretty friendly, don’t hesitate to help each other out and is developing nicely as time passes, adding new things along the way such as improving areas and building up other ones.”

My personal grid

“I enjoy having a personal mini-grid for friends and family. It’s not a smooth as the bigger grids, but it mostly does what I need it to.”

Nara’s Nook

“Great writer’s community.”

Neverworld

“Neverworld is a great grid. The team there is keen to help with any problems. Neverworld has some interesting events through the year and some great free original content to help people get started and also for building. A great place that is drama free to build or to bring your role play group.”

“Staff and residents are very helpful and friendly.”

Opensim Life

“A wonderfully hosted grid that provides us with no technical hassles so we can build our regions for people to come and do stuff with us. I love the sense of community on the grid and this is its strength going forward.”

“Fantastic support from the owner.”

OSgrid

“I have been in OSgrid for over seven years. Like every grid, it has its ups and downs, but over all the ups out weigh the downs.”

“I would give OSgrid a higher score if they were to actually LISTEN to their users. I have reason to believe that their agenda is more important than supporter feedback.”

“The Admins listen to their users and the community has grown stronger. It’s my home.”

Tangle Grid

“Tangle Grid is a place you know you will feel welcome. All the residents are the best. They are always willing to help and just be there if you have a question. The founders do their best to make sure you have everything you need to get started and even if you are having trouble they will lend a head.”

“The EXPO they run a few times a year is a great why to see what is out there in OpenSim.”

“Land prices are great and even have free land or homes for the ones that just want someplace to call home away from Second Life or another grid. They also try to get all of OpenSim involved in projects that will improve new peoples experience in OpenSim.”

“Leslie and Gary Kling are awesome owners. Very stable grid and reasonably priced land. This grid is very stable. Quiet and no drama.”

“Tangle is awesome and so welcoming to all. Free homes, hunts, shopping, events and support from the truly helpful founders and their staff. I appreciate the advantages of having a small grid as my OpenSim home base, but I fully support all activities that Tangle implements like to EXPOs or OpenSim Hunts and their willingness to work together with all residents, regions or grids to increase exposure and the number of Open Sim users.”

Virtual Brasil

“This is a great grid to play, great support and the users are friends and as if it were a family.”

“To recommend the grid for sure, it needs to improve on some points, such as support and user communications.”

“Uma grade muito boa, um ambiente com pessoas agradáveis e alegres, muito bom para interagir e se diverti, recomendo a todos a vir conhecer.” Translation: “A very good grid, an environment with pleasant and cheerful people, very good to interact and had fun, I recommend to everyone to come to know.”

Virtual Highway

“A definite sense of community on this grid.”

“Great place, great people.”

“I visited a lot of grids before finding Virtual Highway and making it my home … I love it!”

World of Ascension

“This is amazing grid to be.”

ZetaWorlds

“I been to tons of other grids, but none of them were quite like this one. Stuff loads faster then any grid I been in, great OSgrid alternative.”

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  • Cinder Biscuits

    So unfair, etc, etc. Just getting the ball rolling on this year’s comments.

    • Dr. Thomas Neill Cream

      Symptom:

      “Despite your trashing reports on InWorldz, it still is — by far — the superior grid. As a content creator, trust in a grid and the technology is key.”

      Diagnosis: More anti-paranoia drugs

  • Carolyn Staehle

    I have tried submitting my survey a few times and I THINK it has gone through, but not certain.

  • Angela Hahn

    I voted, but it did not say weather it went through or not? I commented, too, but do not see the comment, so I hope it went through 😉

  • noxluna

    maria, you’re cheating this year! where’s the excitement and suspense we all have gotten in prior years, seeing the pie chart fill out and expand? pffft….what am i supposed to do with all this popcorn i made for that??

  • Sylvie Xenno

    Takes a long time to read a google spreadsheet I guess. This has been over 5 days, and no results yet.

    • Sylvie —

      I’m working on it now.

      A few people have emailed me about this — and about the slow pace of posting articles this month in general. The story is that my son has been in the hospital for most of the past month. I’ve been there most of the time with him as well. I’ve been grabbing time at the computer when I could through all this, around the CT scans, and biopsies, and X-rays, and ultrasounds, and all the other tests and procedures.

      My son finally got his diagnosis, and a treatment plan, and it’s starting to look like things are turning around and he’s getting back to normal. The doctors at Baystate Medical Center here in Western Massachusetts have been amazing, including the hospitalists, the nephrology team, the GI doctor, the pulmonologists, the hematologists, rheumatologist, cardiac specialists, and also all the nurses and interns who worked on his case. They were amazing, kind and patient.

      My editors at CSO magazine were also very kind and patient, and flexible with my deadlines.

      Meanwhile, I’m also very grateful for David for picking up a lot of the slack here at Hypergrid Business, and apologize to both him and Nuela for the backlog of their stories that I haven’t edited yet.

      If anyone has sent me a press release, or an ad, and hasn’t had a response from me, please feel free to follow up. I’m not deliberately ignoring you, I swear.

      • Da Hayward

        So sorry to hear about your Son Maria, wishing both you and him all the very best

      • Jamie Wright

        Family first! I’m so glad he’s OK. That all sounds just terrifying. I hope his healing continues to progress. Take care of your self and your boy Maria.

        The metaverse will not fall apart if people don’t get an answer on a grid popularity contest within a week. We all love the ones we love, and hopefully visit, network with and learn from each other in many others. I’m not very competitive. I’m just grateful for the OpenSim and the hypergrid. It gives people a level playing field that’s affordable to build and create.

        Congrats to those who did well, but we are all winners here:)

      • Hope your son is doing better Maria and the treatment is a success!

      • Talla Adam

        Thank you for the survey Maria and I wish you and your son all the best with speedy recovery too.

        • Alex Ferraris

          I wonder when you are going to approve my membership to your GOOGLE PLUS Talla Adam.. I see people are talking about me in a very bad manner and I would like a chance to respond to it. Or your group doesnt give that right to people? Thanks baby..

  • Congrats to all! Thanks for taking the time to do this Maria.
    It would be helpful if you could provide the total numbers in addition to the percentages as it would help to put things into a better context for understanding.

    If a small grid gets 5 out of 5 people who say they were “Tops” across the board on all categories, that’s 100%.
    But if Metro, Digi, Kitely, etc. get 50 out of 60 people saying the same thing, that’s only 83% who think we were tops.

    Total numbers would help more from an owner’s perspective I think than percentages, but the percentages are helpful to paint a picture.

    The total numbers would help owners to know where to spend resources to increase the areas where they scored lower.

    • If anyone wants (anonymized!) copies of either all responses, or those specific to their grid, just email me: [email protected]. It’s a Google Spreadsheet, so you can do your own analysis on the data (and send me corrections if I got anything wrong!) Thanks!

  • “InWorldz received fewer total responses than six other grids. In past years, it had always been the leading grid, since it is the most popular grid in OpenSim. This could be a reflection of the changing readership of Hypergrid Business, or the fact that InWorldz’ traffic advantage over other grids has been shrinking over the past few years. ”

    One of the biggest reasons there were less responses was that most people didn’t realize that IW would even be listed, not being HG enabled and not really considered OpenSim by most people. Also stated is ” 39 percent in 2012 to a low of 18 percent this month.” ~ So in 5 years InWorldz’ share of OS users has dropped. Would be interesting to see then a comparison of the grids that hold the higher/highest # of opensim users. Unless that is written here somewhere and I’ve just missed it. If so , would you mind pointing me in the right direction? 😀

    • In-world promotion of the survey is mostly up to the individual grid owners. I contacted every grid owner that I had contact info for, including the folks at InWorldz, and posted it on my Twitter feed and in OpenSim Virtual. I know that this isn’t as much promotion for this as I’ve done in previous years — sorry about that!

      Having a lot of responses for any particular grid can be a net positive — or negative. If a grid owner encourages a lot of people to respond (say, with incentives), then people who aren’t all that enthusiastic about the grid could come out to vote. (I suspect this is what happened last year with YrGrid.)

      I personally do like to see a lot of responses, especially from the smaller grids. It can give folks some ideas about new grids to check out.

      Meanwhile, if anyone wants to add reviews of any other grids, please add them in the comments! Or send event announcements to me at [email protected], and you can also request a free ad on the site.

    • Lark Nocturne

      I was thinking the same about Inworldz. Why is it even considered OpenSim? It is not open, which would seem to me to be a minimum requirement.

  • Little Red Dragon

    Inworldz problems in my views is they did not even tell residents two out of three of the founders had been gone over a year. also look at the website it has not been updated in forever, do they even know how important refreshing your business brand is? even the logo feels 2007..lets not forget the handicapped forum that is really only for support..you cannot even advertise anymore..and they left all that russian spambot messages on old forum then deleted the whole script forum.

    The responses you got where so predictable:
    ” Technology-wise, InWorldz server code has been rewritten for most of it
    and is now far from its OpenSim origins. It has best scripting engine
    (Phlox), best Physics engine (Nvdia PhysX), best sim crossings
    performance and reliability, and enjoys a vibrant, passionate community.”

    The community seems to have falling apart without tranquility, everyone looked up to him, he was like a different kind of
    Philip Rosedale while Beth on the other hand, well in kind regards lets just say is not so magnetic in personality that Trans had, in my humblest opinions.

  • Alex Ferraris

    I know I am a bit radical on all of this but my opinion is still the same regarding grids that call themselves a success. My opinion is actually controversial and many will not like it and will think otherwise.
    All the grids mentioned above are not a success in my view. (MY VIEW).
    Success to me is more like what Second Life has achieved or World of Warcraft etc. etc.. These platforms have thousands of people in and out daily and make millions of dollars..
    To be giving ourselves a tap on the back for achieving less than 100 people a day in our grids is really actually the same as a little group of people creating a fantasy and they are all believing in it even if it is not true.
    For me these grids mentioned above are the same as any amateur grid hosted at a private home somewhere…It achieves nothing and its there serving no purpose..
    Big deal if a grid got first place in a survey. That is so easy to achieve; many would not believe me but it. All you need is to ask all your friends to vote for you. Easy. Too easy as a matter of fact..
    Show me a grid with 5000 people in at the same time, a grid that makes millions per year. Yeah that would be a success..
    I just dont follow the train of thought here that everyone seems to be involved in…
    Sorry for the negativity but it is the truth isnt it?

    • lmpierce

      As you point out at the beginning of your comment, you have an opinion… and then you emphasize it with “(MY VIEW)”. I was with you at this point. Then you explained your view, which includes a variety of assertions. If one agrees or disagrees with those assertions, they have been forewarned that you are writing ‘your view’.

      However, when you ended your comment with “Sorry for the negativity but it is the truth isnt it”, my gut reaction was, “Absolutely not!”… that is, it is absolutely not ‘the truth’. But then you weren’t writing a ‘truth’… you were, by your own declaration, writing an opinion. Opinion may align with truth, but not necessarily. And for purposes of commentary, truth and opinion are usually expected to be in different realms, although in practice they are often conflated. There may be some truths, such as ‘Gravity exists.’ But as to whether we should spend the resources to try and overcome it and go to another planet is a matter of opinion. We discuss opinions differently than we discuss truths.

      I do not accept your opinion about ‘success’ as a ‘truth’. I believe it is more true, if you will, to assert that there are as many versions of ‘success’ as there are people in the world. Even if you qualify your definition of success, that does not invalidate other definitions of success. You must certainly be aware that based on the articles and comments that have appeared over time in this publication that ‘success’ is defined in many ways by different people.

      This argument over success is itself not new. And it’s hard to fathom why it keeps erupting. You say “…an amateur grid hosted at a private home somewhere…It achieves nothing and its there serving no purpose…” Are you saying that unless an endeavor is public, makes millions of dollars and is valued by thousands, it is not a success?

      I would counter your ideas by reiterating that the developers of OpenSim intended for the software to be used under any number of scenarios: paid, unpaid, public or private. It seems far more consistent with the reason OpenSim exists to allow the users themselves to define whether their implementation is ‘successful’ or ‘unsuccessful’. In a sense, the opinions of others about each other’s ‘success’ are irrelevant.

      It would be easier to consider your views if you said something like, “For those who run grids on the basis of an economy, or on a business model for sustained growth, there are some winners and some losers.” I would get that. But to disdain other uses is contrary to all art forms, crafts, hobbies, and personal ventures not primarily founded on a monetary ROI.

      Money and mass appeal will always be ways to measure success in some spheres. But failing to see the myriad other ways humans find gratification and fulfillment, or worse yet, to deride other pursuits as serving no purpose if they do not include millions of dollars and thousands of people, is to not fully understand the potential of what it can mean to be ‘successful’.

    • Da Hayward

      Hmmmm. so does AviWorlds have 5000 individual users in it at one time.
      You talk of success of a grid , my view is where the residents can enjoy them self at a reasonable cost whilst inworld is a success.
      This survey is great in the way it gives the residents a chance to say “hey I’m happy in such such” or they want to share their enjoyment of their grid with others.
      Well done Maria and David keep the stats and polls coming

      • Alex Ferraris

        No Da Hayward but I did not say I was comparing them with AviWorlds. Never said AviWorlds was better either. Sharing enjoyment is fine..Never said that either…

        • Da Hayward

          k Alex.
          Best wishes for AviWorlds btw

    • Arielle

      I’m with you Alex on this. The success of S/L and WoW is in a large part based on their longevity that allowed both the platform and population to develop the kind of concurrencies they enjoy. Individual Opensimulator installations are not capable of those sorts of numbers because of the code and networking limitations but having said that, there are Opensim grids that have the longevity and concurrency within those limits and therefore in that regard are a success by your definition.

      I would say we could go a step further and point out that your perspective is maybe too narrow in that you are only looking at individual grids rather that the whole Opensimulator metaverse joined by the hypergrid protocol. S/L’s landbarons are Opensim’s grid and standalone owners and when viewed that way, Opensim is much bigger and successful then you are giving it credit for.

      • Alex Ferraris

        Even if I look at the whole opensimulator community and or grids..Still does not show me any success as a business. Yes it is successful as an open source platform that gives people the ability to create amateur grids….But a business prospective no I do not see it. Sorry..

        • Arielle

          Perhaps you might want to reevaluate the measure you use to determine success. I would first consider that it is a journey and not a destination. The 2 examples you used as the standard are both shrinking in userbase and economy and are not currently continuing to be successful in those areas whereas a number of the grids listed in the article are.

          • Alex Ferraris

            Nope. If it is a business than it needs to fulfill certain criteria in order to be a successful business.
            If it is a Grid with no marketing money to spend, no significant traffic so that it would attract INVESTORS; no developmental funding then it is just an amateur little virtual space for a small community to enjoy.
            So if you ask me if OpenSimulator is successful as a free open source platform that offers people the ability to open a virtual space yeah you can say it is successful doing that.
            As a business no It is not. None of these grids mentioned here are successful business platforms.

          • Da Hayward

            Ummm there are People operating grids in Open Sim in the “Black” ie making money so on a business view isn’t that a success. Of course these same people’s goal isn’t to become overnight millionaires

          • Han Held

            >So if you ask me if OpenSimulator is successful as a free open source
            platform that offers people the ability to open a virtual space yeah you
            can say it is successful doing that.

            Indeed; that is what Opensim is good at, as opposed to being a business platform. Opensim is a horrible business platform, which I’ve been saying for years (specficially I’ve said that if you want to run a business -stick to SL).

            Being a platform that offers everyone complete control and free access to their own virtual space is actually a much greater accomplishment. In creating, controlling and running your own world is the prometheian fire that is no longer the provience of the Linden gods, but is available to bring warmth and light to every desktop.

            It empowers the people who matter -the users, and makes this a truly democratic platform (in a way that most others …except maybe High Fidelity… aren’t).

      • JozeeTungsten

        I not so heartily concur. If you look at the metaverse, it is slightly better, but even SL is on another level and SL is to WoW as Opensim is to SL.

    • Bethie Foxclaw

      This spoken by a person who can’t keep a grid up and running for more than a week. Alex, your opinion means nothing to anyone. You’re a bitter person who has tried unsuccessfully for years to run a grid. This grid survey is based on opensimulator grids, not on SL. Less than 100 people a day is the average for all opensimulator grids. This is just showing the high points of all the grids listed here. When people bash you, you whine and complain, yet you take the first opportunity to bash every other grid out there as soon as you are able to.

      • Alex Ferraris

        Regardless of what my opinion is or if it means anything status quote does not change. A banana is a banana. If you call a banana an orange it wouldn’t even sound right.
        And you are missing something here. I did not mention AviWorlds nor I tried to present it as better than the grids mentioned here. That is not is being discussed here.

        • Bethie Foxclaw

          I think all your numbers are a lie, and you make them up. Nobody in their right mind would deal with someone who can’t keep a grid up for more than a month. And as for some of your other quotes here. For someone that has changed their so called business model like 20 times, I think you have alot of balls telling people what is and what isn’t a business model. Clearly you don’t even know what one is because you can’t seem to stick to one. You like to bring disorder and dissension here at every opportunity because it’s the only attention you can get. And clearly you don’t care if it’s good or bad attention, as long as you are getting some. Why don’t you spend less time worrying about what everyone elses grids and the Opensim community is doing, and more time trying to keep your grid afloat for more than a month.

      • Cinder Biscuits

        He’s right though.

  • 1derworld

    Who would of thunk low self esteem and BDSM would be the large population in opensims 🙁

    • Kimmy Dee

      Nice hate speech. Do you talk about the gay / lesbian community and ethnic groups that way too. Nice moderation you have going here Maria.

  • All City

    Good morning to all, first of all I want to wish total health and improvements to the son of Maria. Now I want to congratulate Mary and David for not just working today more of the year. I want to congratulate everyone regardless of having the name listed above or not, I believe that the dedication the affection and determination of everyone in keeping your grid working already makes you a great winner. here everyone is victorious, Congratulations to all.

  • 1derworld

    40 grids posted very interesting being there is about 800 plus out there.

    • Alex Ferraris

      I m surprised myself

  • 1derworld

    Maybe I’m looking into this to hard but, Seems the personal attack on Alex has broken some guidelines. Listen if your going to have guidelines who the heck decides whats abuse and whats not? I see the bias part of HGB is still active.