ZanGrid to close after ten years as an OpenSim grid

ZanGrid. (Image courtesy Sofee Supermarine.)

One of  oldest commercial OpenSim grids is shutting down at the end of this month.

ZanGrid, formerly known as the Zandramas grid, was one of the first OpenSim grids when it was first founded 10 years ago, and is one of the top 25 grids by both popularity and land area. Last month, the grid reported 351 active users and the land area equivalent of 439 standard regions.

It is closing down because owner Suzan Mönnink is making some changes in her personal life, which will include returning to her studies, she said in a post.

Residents have until the end of the month to export content and withdraw any virtual currency they have in their accounts, she said.

ZanGrid Hypershopping I and II regions are Gloebits enabled. (Image courtesy ZanGrid.)

ZanGrid currently has two currency systems. There is a local currency, Z$,  powered by Podex, and a hypergrid currency, powered by Gloebit. Residents should sell their Z$ or trade them for other currencies via Podex.

The Gloebit currency can continue to be used, but ZanGrid residents who use their ZanGrid avatars for their Gloebit accounts should connect it to avatars on other grids. Gloebit allows users with multiple avatars to share the same Gloebit account, and use it for shopping on all grids that support that currency.

Full region and inventory exports in the form of OAR and IAR files will not be available, Mönnink told Hypergrid Business. Many non-profit grids offer OAR and IAR exports. Commercial grids have copyright concerns, but some commercial grids, including Kitely, offer filtered exports which only include content that the user themselves created, or that was marked exportable by original creators.

“I did consider filtering OARs and IARs, but with hyper grid people also can move over things to other avatars,” she said. “I did ask the people who I know of build all 100 percent themselves if they want the OARs but they said it was not needed since they have all on their personal computers anyway.”

ZanGrid enabled hypergrid access in early 2015, at the same time as it changed its name from Zandramas.

ZanGrid. (Image courtesy Sofee Supermarine.)

There will be a Farewell Party starting at noon Pacific on Saturday, Oct. 21 at the grid’s Welcome region. The farewell will feature entertainment from DJ Rique. The hypergrid address is hg.zangrid.ch:8002.

Suzan De Konnin

“I enjoyed my virtual travels and managing ZanGrid in the last 10 years,” Mönnink wrote in the post. “But for me it is time to move on. Since ZanGrid is a non-profit hobby I decided not to sell the grid but to close permanently.”

Committing to studies means she will not have enough time to manage the grid according to her comments in an OpenSim Virtual community Google Plus post.

“In November I will start with a new study,” Mönnink told Hypergrid Business. “This will of course need my full attention and this cannot be combined with the OpenSim stress and running a grid.”

She has thanked the community for their support. People are sad, but very sweet, sending sweet notices and messages in world and on social media.

Some residents are also donating their remaining virtual currency balances to charity, ZanGrid’s in-world grid manager, Rique Giano, commented on the said Google Plus post.

“People come in to exchange and some donate their last coins to ZanGrid,” said Mönnink. “Thank you so much, we will donate this to a very good cause. Over the years ZanGrid did donate yearly to several causes: Elton John Aids Foundation, WorldWildFund, Amnesty international, WarChild.”

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  • Good Luck in all you choose to do Suz! Hope you still have some time here and there for OpenSim! 🙂

    • Suz Blessed

      Thank you Butch 🙂

  • Nanccie Sinatra

    Its been a blast, so sad to see it go

  • Arielle

    What is interesting to me in this, is the comment: “Out of respect for creators I will not give any IAR or OAR files to people.” At least one of the residents had some issues with not being able to get an oar at the very least. Knowing the intellectual, artistic, and even emotional investment one puts into putting together a region over days, weeks or even months i can well understand being upset that all that hard work is just going to be annihilated out of some hazy respect for unknown creators who may or may not have had an issue with that resident receiving an oar to take elsewhere. An in-grid creator can of course be easily asked if they would have been ok with the item(s) being taken to another grid and items which were from other grids were already ok to be exported considering the resident had them in Zangrid. The decision to not allow Oar and Iar’s sounds to be more out of spite in light of recent events spoken of elsewhere but it just floors me that it is being taken out on the residents. These people are all going to have to start from scratch because the owner is not willing to transfer the grid elsewhere nor willing to allow residents to have the products they spent much time accumulating, putting outfits and regions together with etc.
    Grids that choose to withhold oars and Iars need to consider that they are taking hostage valid intellectual and artistic property that residents have some type of licensing for as an end user and as such are just if not more entitled to then the Grid owners holding them are.
    New people need to be made well aware of the dangers inherent in joining up to these type of grids that will like S/L not allow them access to their content outside of the grid they are joining, even if hypergrid is allowed.

    • JozeeTungsten

      I heartily concur!

    • Suz Blessed

      Who is this resident who had problems not getting a Backup ? Why did this resident not turn to us and ask why ?

      • Nice try Suz. Good luck with your future endeavours

        • Suz Blessed

          Thank you Josh:)

    • they sent me my entire IAR and Region OARs when I left >… Just saying

      • Suz Blessed

        LOL if this is you Josh …… 1. You where banned. 2. We never sent you any backups. 3. Your backups where deleted last week. I think you mix us up with another grid:)

        • I had 3 regions in your zandramas grid and when GABE taught me all the secrets to opensim I then started my skylife up. When I left I managed to have GABE send me my regions so yes I remember and know it was your grid. Because you gave me trouble over my breedables self destructing ( only when you deleted the script instances folder ).

          • Suz Blessed

            Yes you once had regions and yes you did set up your own grid … But we also visited your grid once in a while. And at that time I had not taken over Zandramas and renamed the grid to ZanGrid. I was not officially the owner at that time. And please do not act as if you do not know or remember. Lets stop this discussion.

          • Suz Blessed

            OH yes the breedables ( canabis plants ), They did not work at that time and I accepted this, but others who bought them from you wanted their money back they did spend. Only you where not prepared to even look at this. I remember this well.

        • Banned ? Ohh ok then. I can Chalk it up to getting my knowledge from Gabe and prospering enough to go on my own adventure it was the biggest mistake for GABE too release private information and share with me how opensim works he was the biggest reasons that I got in the opensim in the first place

          • Suz Blessed

            You begged to unbanned you Josh. Do you not remember ?

          • Suz Blessed

            He shared info with you because he thought he could trust you and this was a mistake indeed. ( Gabe is only human )

      • Suz Blessed

        I checked this one to be sure. And yes Gabe told me he might have given youthe backups of the regions you build up yourself. All that was on where your items, made by you and items from Linda Kelly. So all was Full perm and transferable. It was when ZanGrid was still Zandramas and not officially owned by me.

  • Sofee Supermarine

    @disqus_zN4iHbDDMW:disqus QUOTES ABOVE:

    “I did consider filtering OARs and IARs, but with hyper grid people also can move over things to other avatars,” she said. “I did ask the people who I know of build all 100 percent themselves if they want the OARs but they said it was not needed since they have all on their personal computers anyway.”

    • Arielle

      The relevant part is ” the people who I know of build all 100 percent themselves “. That means by inference that she didn’t ask the people who only build 50, 60, 90% themselves and in any case is irrelevant to my point in that even those products they did not create themselves, they may well hold the rights to export to. This would apply to any freebie content from Linda Kelly as well as a host of other free content creators that have items in Opensim. If a content creator has specifically mentioned their content is allowed in Opensim for export or fullperms or even partial perms, then what gives a Grid owner/manager the right to override the original creators rights and stated wishes? Does a Grid manager/owner have the right to dictate ownership or DRM? As one person said earlier: Grids are asset server holders. Not judges, juries or any sort of arbiter as to what is or isn’t allowed to be exported or transferred elsewhere when the Grid owner decides to retire.

      • lmpierce

        You’re conflating rights with a service.

        • Arielle

          No, I am separating them since some Grid owners are trying to conflate them.

          • lmpierce

            How so in this case? Did ZanGrid previously offer IAR and OAR downloads, and then revoke them at the moment of announcing the service will be closing? Because if such downloads were not previously available, every customer knew, before ever using the service, that there was some inherent risk of some loss in the event of a service shutdown. Some costs of using virtual worlds turn out to be expenses, not investments. Happens all the time in the real world (people lose things they have a right to). What’s important is whether people had fair notice of the circumstances of utilizing the service.

            The service was honorable in their representations from the beginning. Suggesting otherwise is inappropriate, unfair and conflates the obligations of the service with people’s rights.

            Or are you arguing, post factum, that the service *should* have always allowed filtered downloads, and only now this has caught your attention and fomented your ire?

          • Rique Giano

            I couldnt Say it Better Impierce 🙂

          • Arielle

            Read the article, Impierce. The decision whether to offer iar’s and oar’s was made AFTER the decision to close the grid. Meaning by the sounds of it, that there was no previous policy in place and upon perusal of their ToS there is nothing about backups of any sort stipulated for or against. Neither is there any indication within Hypergrid Business itself whether or not such was offered at that grid. Unusual in itself. Nothing to give a potential resident an idea of what their rights were regarding backups. You are reaching as much as you are accusing me of in this case. Word of mouth was likely how any sort of policy in this regard was transmitted. Considering too that preferred residents WERE offered oar’s is another indication that a set policy was not in place and all depended on who was doing the asking and how grid management was feeling at that moment.

          • Rique Giano

            Ariell, I do not know why you have to make fuss about it all. Every Grid has there own terms for giving oars and iars or not to give them . Ask Kitely or digiworldz if they give people there oarfiles . Then judging Zangrid.

          • DigiWorldz does provide IAR and OAR files upon request from the user, but these files will be filtered, meaning they will contain only full perm items, or items in which the user created themselves.

          • Rique Giano

            Thank you Butch for your Reply 🙂

          • Arielle

            There have been past debates with those grids also so no need to feel special that I am picking on Zangrid exclusively. The reason for the “fuss” was Zangrid’s stated justification for not being willing to provide oar’s and Iar’s to certain residents.

          • Rique Giano

            I Don’t feel special, we just closing thats it !!! And i want to do this in peace .. then making a fuss and DRAMA of it

          • Dadiella Nightwing

            You can export your content to an OAR from your account interface in Kitely any time you want. OAR exports honor content permissions.

          • lmpierce

            I read the article. The article states that IAR and OAR files will not be available for download. This is not an indication about a change in policy. Rather, it was the answer to an inevitable, anticipated question by customers, and rightfully anticipated by the author of the article, “Will IAR and/or OAR files be made available for download now that the service is shutting down”. This was not a comment about a decision, but rather a reporter’s follow-up based on his own investigative journalism. Good reporters always address such anticipatory questions.

            What I’m pointing out is that you are creating innuendos. You are insinuating that a service which has acted honorably is actually not honorable. You have spun an idea considered by the service (OAR backups), beyond their formal obligations, but in the end not acted on, into pseudo evidence of malicious intent. Such suspicions on your part warrant rebuttal.

            Backups…It has been stated in many articles, and has arisen in many forums, that making backups is a responsibility of customers. This is true with all technology everywhere. It is also an issue that in some instances, backups are not available. This has been a challenge for OpenSim hosts, addressed by some service providers, but not all. This is something that sets some service providers apart from others, and customers are free, and have the obligation, to choose the service that provides the reassurances they desire and require. In the case of ZanGrid, if IAR and OAR files were never offered, then that particular service cannot be taken away or ‘decided’ against… it was never there to begin with. And the customer obviously knew it.

            But also, let’s not lose sight of the fact that with the closing of this service there is not only some potential loss of inventory, but loss of the potential for the experiences that were unique to that grid. I would think that for most users, that is the more significant loss. It’s difficult when something we value is gone. I was disappointed when I heard ZanGrid was closing… it sounds like it was one of the good ones. But I was also impressed with the way the owner handled it. Services come and go. We all know that. And we’ve all seen how awful some grid closings turn out. To impugn this particular service provider is completely inappropriate and unwarranted.

            But, as I suggested in my earlier comment, if you feel that filtered backups of IAR and OAR files *should* be offered, as a matter of good business, then that’s for a forward looking discussion on how services can be even better. Personally, I think customers should look for services that offer at least OAR backups, if they feel their content is valuable. That is a step for customers to take in the right direction to be protected from loss.

          • Arielle

            In all your verbosity you haven’t addressed the points I made in my first or even second post. You are spinning this into something unrelated to them and attempting to insinuate malicious intent on my part when i specifically referenced all grids of a similar nature to Zangrid.
            Even on the points you are spinning this into, you are contradicting yourself and making assumptions beyond what the actual article states in black and white.

          • lmpierce

            I do not read substantiated information or perspectives in your comment. However, at least now you are directing your ire at me, and not ZanGrid.

            You’re still confused about the rights attached to content and the services offered by a service provider. No OpenSim service provider is required to offer OAR or IAR backups. If you believe otherwise, show me where that is indicated in the OpenSim license terms. However, yes, people can include content in their regions that carry export permissions, even if the service does not allow OAR or IAR backups, but, and it’s an important point, the existence of a right does not necessarily obligate a service provider to facilitate the practice of that right.

            It’s a lot like moderation on Hypergrid Business. There is a freedom of speech amendment to the U.S. Constitution, and yet a private business is not required to permit un-moderated speech on their service. Citizens are not losing that right, but private businesses are not required to unconditionally accommodate that right. It’s a subtle, but important distinction.

            For confirmation, I have verified that they did not revoke a pre-existing TOS; ZanGrid did not have a policy of providing OAR and IAR backups. When the decision was made to close the grid, ZanGrid considered providing OAR backups, but realized, correctly, that they had an obligation to creators that had never offered export permissions. Consequently, giving customers unfiltered OAR backups would have been copyright infringement. They only further considered some OAR backups to customers that they knew had 100% of their own content on those regions.

            But the main point is, and remains, that ZanGrid acted honorably. Their customers did not have a service option for making OAR or IAR backups, so there would be no reason to expect that service suddenly when the business closes. Every customer was presented with the reality of the risks that come when there is no access to such backups because that was the de facto reality of this particular service prior to its closing.

            As the community knows, there are services that have built-in mechanisms for making OAR backups. Filtered OAR backups are certainly possible. It might have been a plus if ZanGrid had offered filtered OAR and IAR backups all along, but they did not have an obligation to do so, and had not established such a capability as a service benefit. They did not ‘decide’ to revoke this capability, and to suggest otherwise is to create a fictional set of motivations that end with the insinuation that ZanGrid acted without honorable intentions.

            I did spin onto one other point in my previous comments. The fact that some customers may have experienced some loss of content is unfortunate. However, I think the greater loss, as understandable as the reasons are, is that ZanGrid customers probably most valued the experience of being on ZanGrid, which undoubtedly had some unique and special qualities for those people. I’m not spinning that idea out of thin air… from the article itself: “She [Suzan] has thanked the community for their support. People are sad, but very sweet, sending sweet notices and messages in world and on social media.”

            The owner of ZanGrid has also confirmed that their customers have not complained after closing notification, and have been understanding. Are you a customer of ZanGrid? Because if you’re not a customer of ZanGrid, why are you taking issue with their terms of closing? Isn’t that a concern between ZanGrid and their customers? If ZanGrid has built goodwill and their customers have used the service freely, understanding all risks and benefits, but understand the terms of closing, then yes, I think it is unnecessary, inappropriate and potentially harmful to spin the circumstance into grievances that did not already exist. I do not know your intentions, but you have not offered cogent arguments or actual evidence of wrongdoing, as you insinuate.

            In fact, you completely denigrated the rights of creators by making the statement: “…all that hard work is just going to be annihilated out of some hazy respect for unknown creators who may or may not have had an issue with that resident receiving an oar to take elsewhere.”

            “…hazy respect…”?

            This is one of the main reasons for copyright laws and protections: A lack of respect for creators. Not knowing who a creator is does not constitute a right to take, use and distribute a creative product. What ZanGrid did was completely correct (not be mention appropriately respectful and legally required) for protecting all of those “unknown” creators.

            There seems to be no further value-added meaning emerging in our discussion. You’ve shifted your attention from the issues to taking issue with the syntax of my responses. I think the issues were important. And from what I’ve read and learned, ZanGrid has done well and their customers are sad to see the service go, but understanding.

            To me, that’s the denouement to this story.

          • Arielle

            Impierce said: “ZanGrid did not have a policy of providing OAR and IAR backups.”
            Suz Blessed said: “We used to give OAR’s and IAR’s.”

            Impierce said: “Consequently, giving customers unfiltered OAR backups would have been copyright infringement. ”
            Hence my my point in my first post: ” An in-grid creator can of course be easily asked if they would have been ok with the item(s) being taken to another grid and items which were from other grids were already ok to be exported considering the resident had them in Zangrid.” If they were NOT ok with it then they are easily filtered out.

            Impierce said: “The fact that some customers may have experienced some loss of content is unfortunate. ”
            I sense you don’t have a clue about the huge amount of time and effort that can be invested into both the inventory and regions of the average user. A user like myself as an example who spends 2-3 hours a day inworld can accumulate a thousand hours of time shopping, organizing, cleaning, putting outfits together, modifying content, putting together sims, decorating, texturing, terrain editing etc. Losing ALL (not some) content is catastrophic, not somewhat unfortunate. My time is just as valuable to me as yours is to you. Why do you try to discount the time of an enduser vs a commercial creator? Imagine how you would feel if you put a thousand hours into the development of something that is important to you and then lose it because someone in control of it cannot be bothered to filter out a small portion that may be a problem. Not just lose it and walk on to something else but have to spend the same amount of time recreating a substitute somewhere else. I don’t have any sense of empathy from you, so that example was probably a waste of time.

            Impierce said: “Are you a customer of ZanGrid? Because if you’re not a customer of ZanGrid, why are you taking issue with their terms of closing?”

            Because that is what I do, Impierce. I actually have a long verifiable history in taking up certain causes for others when I feel they have a valid point and there is a greater good that may come of it. Sort of why you are here isn’t it, as my understanding is that you aren’t a part of Zangrid either.

            Impierce said: In fact, you completely denigrated the rights of creators by making the statement: “…all that hard work is just going to be annihilated out of some hazy respect for unknown creators who may or may not have had an issue with that resident receiving an oar to take elsewhere.”

            You’re cherry picking a comment and taking it out of context to further your agenda. That comment was not aimed at content creators but at Grid owners/managers who on a pretext of respecting creators, discount and overrule the creators permissions, licensing agreement and distribution of content to end users. The only creators benefiting are those looking to sell their product twice to the same customer. Are you defending that sort of practice?

            Impierce said: “And from what I’ve read and learned, ZanGrid has done well and their customers are sad to see the service go, but understanding.”

            And I have heard differently from a different source. You take the side of creators and overly restrictive commercial grids while i take that of consumers and more non commercial, open grids. It is just about that simple but if we as a community cannot come to an equitable compromise, Opensim will come to a point of forking into commercial and non commercial tines.

          • lmpierce

            Impierce said: “ZanGrid did not have a policy of providing OAR and IAR backups.”

            Arielle response: Suz Blessed said: “We used to give OAR’s and IAR’s.”

            lmpierce response to Arielle: I don’t see your point. Customers were not caught off-guard as regards the lack of availability of backups. When I said ‘did not’, it meant, ‘did not at the time of the grid closing’. What a company “used to do” is a moot point.

            Impierce said: “Consequently, giving customers unfiltered OAR backups would have been copyright infringement. ”

            Arielle response: Hence my my point in my first post: ” An in-grid creator can of course be easily asked if they would have been ok with the item(s) being taken to another grid and items which were from other grids were already ok to be exported considering the resident had them in Zangrid.” If they were NOT ok with it then they are easily filtered out.

            lmpierce response to Arielle: Unfiltered OAR backups would create a circumstance of copyright infringement. Grid owners and customers are obligated NOT to violate copyrights. Seeking copyright permissions from creators for user content to leave a grid is never the obligation of the grid owner. If, however, a customer wants to keep something they would otherwise lose, they themselves could contact the creator for another copy, and according to you, that could ‘easily’ be done. Remember, ZanGrid did not have a backup provision as a current part of their service. What you’re suggesting is tantamount to telling them they nonetheless must provide a de facto backup service as part of closing the grid. As long as the customer knew backups were not available, the grid did not betray the customer. To insinuate otherwise is invalid and unreasonable.

            Impierce said: “Are you a customer of ZanGrid? Because if you’re not a customer of ZanGrid, why are you taking issue with their terms of closing?”

            Arielle response: Because that is what I do, Impierce. I actually have a long verifiable history in taking up certain causes for others when I feel they have a valid point and there is a greater good that may come of it. Sort of why you are here isn’t it, as my understanding is that you aren’t a part of Zangrid either.

            lmpierce response to Arielle: The difference is that you, and you alone, incited a melodrama about ZanGrid where none existed before. You are inciting distrust where none existed before. Creating a problem and then ‘solving’ it is not a service to the community. I was responding to your attacks and the nature of their innuendos and accusations. The customers were not betrayed and were not complaining. Your attacks and innuendos merited a rebuttal on principle. ZanGrid was honorable and did not need my support. However, false accusations are very much my concern. I too have a verifiable history of recognizing various forms of attack, and weighing the merits of arguments. This has been a circumstance wherein you sowed seeds of distrust, without merit.

            Impierce said: In fact, you completely denigrated the rights of creators by making the statement: “…all that hard work is just going to be annihilated out of some hazy respect for unknown creators who may or may not have had an issue with that resident receiving an oar to take elsewhere.”

            Arielle response: You’re cherry picking a comment and taking it out of context to further your agenda. That comment was not aimed at content creators but at Grid owners/managers who on a pretext of respecting creators, discount and overrule the creators permissions, licensing agreement and distribution of content to end users. The only creators benefiting are those looking to sell their product twice to the same customer. Are you defending that sort of practice?

            lmpierce response to Arielle: Yes, I quoted you. Call it cherry picking if you like, but I call it taking issue with a statement you wrote and used as part of a defense of your point of view. And I fully understood that you were criticizing certain kinds of grid owners, not creators. But in particular you were, of course, criticizing ZanGrid, because that is where this whole issue of backups started, and where the “annihilation” you referred to is destined to take place.

            Impierce said: “And from what I’ve read and learned, ZanGrid has done well and their customers are sad to see the service go, but understanding.”

            Arielle response: And I have heard differently from a different source. You take the side of creators and overly restrictive commercial grids while i take that of consumers and more non commercial, open grids. It is just about that simple but if we as a community cannot come to an equitable compromise, Opensim will come to a point of forking into commercial and non commercial tines.

            lmpierce response to Arielle: Your ‘source’ should contact the owner of ZanGrid directly. It is clear that ZanGrid is responding to their customers directly and on a case-by-case basis. I have firsthand knowledge of this. You claims about my values are incomplete and lopsided. I favor good relationships in all human affairs. In order for good relationships to exist, there must be rights and obligations fairly and equitably applied to everyone involved, with expectations well understood. I do not necessarily favor creators over consumers. In fact, I have no motivation to be so one-sided… in life I’m both an avid creator and avid consumer. I consider your assertions about ZanGrid specifically to have been invalid, and I have elaborated on why I feel that way. In the end, however, it is only the relations involved among ZanGrid and their customers that matter. To your point about OpenSim forking into commercial and non-commercial tines, that is already the case. But how is that relevant in the case of ZanGrid closing? And in event event, why is that a problem? The creators of OpenSim certainly intended for the platform to serve many needs in many ways under many forms of organization and exchange.

            lmpierce response to Arielle: I don’t think I have anything more to add to this discussion.

          • Suz Blessed

            You know what bothers me ? Saying like this: ‘And I have heard differently from a different source’. Let this source speak for his/her self or maybe you tell us who it is you talk about. If people have issues, let them come to me. Also I like to tell you that I have been trying to get grid owners together for over 2 years. to make same rules and fight certain issues together. Unfortunately, most grid owners act like Kings of their own little Kingdoms and like to solve some problems we all have to deal with themselves. My last try was 2 weeks ago and from all grids out there only 1 responded and was prepared to work together on certain things. But stop this drama it is of no use at all. ZanGrid stepped out of the game, so far no complains only very nice people with a lot of understanding towards Rique and me:) And I want to use this opportunity again to thank all those people : ‘We’ll meet again, don’t know where, don’t know when……… THANK YOU 🙂 !!!!!’

  • 1derworld

    Let this be a good example for the people looking to go with a Hosting Company. Read the TOS carefully and read it again, Some grids do not offer your OAR’s or IAR’s even tho you worked like a dog to build it. There is way to many hoops and loops to jump to prove your avatar name is actually you. I suspect these rules will chase many to host there own mini-grids if the rules don’t change a bit

  • Suz Blessed

    We used to give OAR’s and IAR’s. But the issue is that people sometimes also have their own regions running on their home pc’s . They have god powers. People grab things or copy things and with their powers they make it their own creations. Or people copybot with avatars made elsewhere and then pass them over and when asked tell us that they had it as a gift. Anyway….those items even when we give filtered OAR’s and IAR’s will be on the backups and given away. ZanGrid decided to stop giving backups because of this behaviour of some people. Of course the honest people suffer ( like always ), But we believe this is the best thing we can do to try to show respect for the original creators of certain items. People can easy pass items over to other avatars or grab them again but in this case they do them selves and not ZanGrid. And yes I offered some people an OAR and or IAR, but those people I know almost 100% certain did make the items on their regions or in their inventories them selves. Or have licences of the creators to use them without restrictions in OpenSim. It is never so Black and White as it looks. In Holland we say: `de soep wordt nooit zo heet gegeten, als zij wordt opgediend` !

  • Thank goodness they were selling Linda kellies items in the grid. Entire stores of it marked for a price and with the owners name as creator good to see them go

    • Suz Blessed

      Like I said you must be confused Josh, I know of this also on another grid, not us. We did indeed have a sim up from Linda Kelly but it was the OAR she offered free and we offered this free to our people too.

      • noxluna

        Wishing you well in your studies and your future endeavors Suz.

        • Suz Blessed

          Thank you Noxluna:)

    • WTH is wrong with people! There is a nice little article here about a grid closing and people just can’t say “Sorry to see you go” they have to pile on with off topic remarks like this one that I am replying to. First off the Linda Kellie stuff (and yeah it’s KELLIE and not KELLY) isn’t even part of this topic and even if it were and even if they were selling my stuff it’s not against my TOS (mainly because I have no TOS).

      If you aren’t sorry to see Zangrid go then just don’t say anything. Why is it imperative for y’all (and you know who you are) to kick someone when they are down?

      I wish all the owners, staff and residents of Zangrid the best of luck in whatever you do or wherever you go.

      • Han Held

        >If you aren’t sorry to see Zangrid go then just don’t say anything. Why
        is it imperative for y’all (and you know who you are) to kick someone
        when they are down?

        100% agreed …time and place, people!

        • Da Hayward

          Too Right Han
          I for one wish Suz & all the Zangrid people all the best with their future endeavors. It is always sad to see a grid which has been around so long close it’s doors.

        • Suz Blessed

          Hugs Han:)

      • Suz Blessed

        Thank you Linda:)

      • Arielle

        This is Hypergrid Business, not Hypergrid Social. Questioning or commenting on the business decisions of a Grid is entirely within the scope of both the articles and comment sections under them.

        Didn’t get the idea from Zangrid’s owner that she was down in any way but has mentioned in at least a couple places about how good her life is going to be leaving Opensim. So a little confused what you are on about with kicking her when she is down.

        • Of course you are confused about that. That is very clear from your comments on this post. Understanding that she was down would require empathy. Some people have it and some don’t. So let me try and explain to you why I said the “kicking her when she is down” comment…..

          Suz owns a grid and to most grid owners their grid is their baby. Closing a grid isn’t an easy thing to do. Giving up that dream and all of the hard work they put in it isn’t easy to do. So of course everyone involved is going to be down about it.

          I understand that this isn’t “Hypergrid Social”. But OpenSim is suppose to be a family of sorts. It’s a small community and if someone succeeds or fails it’s up to the community to lift that person up not bring them down. I find that is rarely the case though. Instead people pile on with off topic comments like the one that included my name. I felt a need to nip that in the bud because it was just so outrageous.

          As far as I can tell, her actual customers/land owners seem to be very understanding about things. I’m just not sure why some find it their place to be the negative voice in almost every comment on almost every post. But they do and then it normally spins out to replies and more comments until there are now 50 comments here and probably only a couple of them actually show any community spirit and empathy for their fellow OpenSim user.

          And let me end this post by saying that I am not a Suz fan. I was on the outs with her. But that doesn’t stop me from being human and understanding that this is probably a hard time for her and her team. It was a good grid. It was apparent that they (owners, admin, residents) put a lot of work into it. And even though I didn’t get along with her well on a personal level I see that she is trying to exit this project gracefully and with class. She seems to be doing all of the right things in the way she informed her residents and by informing the OpenSim community.

          And even after all of the negative comments here she still managed to stay upbeat and look forward and focus on her future and do it with class. A teachable moment for sure.

          • Arielle

            I’ll stick to what she said vs what you think she should have said. As far as empathy is concerned, mine is for all the residents that are having their inventories trashed and all the hundred and thousands of hours it will collectively take for them to rebuild that. I did some informal polling inworld at a couple of parties, asking what people thought about losing their inventories and region builds. The interesting thing I realized was that the level of creative ability was the determining factor on how catastrophic that would be. The more creative one was, the less the person thought it represented a problem. That to me explains how you Linda, can totally discount the impact on the average user losing it all. I talked to a couple who had already experienced such an event with other grids that closed unexpectedly and how devastating it was for them and the monumental task of trying to recreate their virtual self elsewhere. The products that were no longer available, the items they had previously purchased but could no longer prove that it was them who had done so and thereby at least getting a resend. The endless refitting and outfitting.

            Suz is losing her grid by her own choice. Her residents are losing by her choice also, not their own. In any other context, withholding things that another is legally entitled to, constitutes theft. My empathy is with victims not perpetrators.

          • Suz Blessed

            Thank you:) And yes I am sad. And also yes we did put our hearts and soul in the grid and more important the people. People judge me and do not know me, so it cannot hurt me. They know no facts about me or the grid. All they know is from hear saying and well you know how that works right? So I do thank the people who stood and stand up for us, but no worries. We are adults and I have an elephant skin:))

          • Arielle

            The relevant “facts” are in the article and your own words spread through the comment section here. What one Zangrid resident shared with a friend about how overwhelming it was going to be to rebuild their virtual life, should not be surprising to anyone with some empathy but ultimately is their opinion which they have a right to.
            By your own admission you set a precedent in giving out oars and iars and at the end you were still offering them to certain “worthy” residents. I saw nothing in Zangrid’s Tos that states the previous precedent was no longer valid and that it was no longer being offered. From anything I can find on the subject, a precedent needs to be revoked in writing in a place where all interested parties have access to and must be done giving proper notice with an option for the resident to reject the new policy and obtain backups up to that point.
            Take a look at the article and comment section from March 10/17 regarding the closing of Avination for some relevant information that likely applies to Zangrid also.

          • Suz Blessed

            It would help if you would mention this residents name or even better when this resident would come to me in person. There are good reasons for not giving OAR files to people. And until now I did not give any resident the OAR of their region. Better do your home work properly Arielle. When an OAR was loaded on another grid it was because this resident has a region on that grid and I gave the Grid owner access to this Oar so he or she could load this on the region of this resident. But I did not give any resident an OAR that he or she could save on their own pc and then spread around everywhere. Forgive me for being careful when it comes to backups. Also I must mention that many people have regions build up with free items. From boxes called ‘ STUFF’ . we all know those items are copy botted items from sl. I do not want to cross lines here by giving this under my name to others. Besides people can easily grab those items again. And lets not forget that even creators of free items have rules, like NON TRANSFER. So who am I to give this to people so they save this on their pc.

  • LH

    @suzblessed
    I read the note card sent out for the reason Zangrid was closing . Probably the best reason i have ever seen to move on. Best of luck in the future.

  • Suz, I wish you all the best in your studies. Hopefully we on the hypergrid will be seeing you around every so often. Good luck

  • I have just visited ZanGrid, and as of October 17th it looks like you can now only teleport to 3 places: Welcome, Podex, and Hg Sandbox. All other regions have been disabled with “Teleport Failed”.

    • Suz Blessed

      Yes because people who are finished with saving their items allowed me to take the regions offline. Also I was forced to take some public regions offline earlier then planned, due to people openly copybotting. People still can Rez on sandbox and save items and people still can change money at podex Region. All what is needed:)

  • Dave Gran

    I have been in ZanGrid since the beginning. Since my long life in Grids since 2003, never before have I seen such a caring nature as I Suz’s. She does this for everyone and not for personal gain. I understand both arguments about the OAR files. I am one of the 100% content creators and I also have things in other regions as a merchant. Most of the regions I have shops are owned by friends i trust but what if that wasn’t the case? I would not like it if my personal creations were downloaded onto another grid without my written permission just because the region owner does not want to rebuild. Don’t forget the most fun we as creators have is “creating”. So go create a new beautiful region and make the changes you always wished you could have before but did not want to force someone to move while you reconstruct your layout. If you are not a skilled builder then that’s OK too. There are many nice people who love to build things and love to help people. just ask someone. I have often helped people build regions or teach them how. My point is this: We are here to have fun. There are many places out there in social media to express all your hate, please don’t make this one of those places. Real Life must go on, so I totally understand Suz’s reason to close the Grid. But still….Hear warm heart continues! She has spent all her time finding new homes for us. I am so grateful! Please join me and use this area for positive posts that can help one another. I wish you all great happiness and success.