Zetamex makes new low prices permanent

New, permanent prices for Zetamex' bargain regions.

New, permanent prices for Zetamex’ bargain regions.

Las Vegas-based hosting company Zetamex — which recently tested out a $3 region offer — has decided to make the low prices permanent, and added some much-requested features.

The company also raised prices slightly. Instead of $3 for a 15,000-prim region capable of holding up to 20 avatars, the new permanent price is $5. Those wishing to pay just $3 can get a 7,500-prim region that can hold 10 avatars, and there’s also a 45,000-prim, 40-avatar region for $7.50.

The region order page is here.

Even with the slight increase, Zetamex is currently in the lead as the provider with the lowest region prices anywhere in OpenSim.

New features

Instead of having to settle for a random name, customers can now choose their own region names.

In addition, there is now a choice between randomly-generated map coordinates and choosing your own — useful if you want to place a new region near an existing one, or near that belonging to a friend.

Next, customers can use their own OAR file instead of being limited to the four previous choices.

Finally, the grid selection has increased. Previously, the only options were to rent regions on OSgrid or Metropolis. Now a new grid, Pillars of Mist, has been added to the list.

Folks who want their grids added to the list should contact Zetamex at [email protected]. Customers who host their whole grids with Zetamex can rent regions at these low prices as well, except without the 15 percent grid owner discount that applies to the standard hosting plans.

Zetamex will also continue offering a simple management panel that allow self-serve region restarts, an online backup to a single region storage slot, and an offline OAR export that can take a few hours.

Customers who need more features can upgrade to Zetamex’ regular plans, which start at $15 a month for a 20,000-prim regions that can be configured as variable-sized regions or megaregions. Customers can download and upload OAR region files and IAR inventory backup files at any time, change their physics engine and set threat levels  — there is even console access for advanced users.

According to Zetamex CEO Timothy Rogers, 60 people bought the $3 regions in the week they were available.

The reason the company is able to offer such low prices is because it buys dedicated servers in bulk, at a discount, and then runs multiple regions on a single server, he said.

The servers are designed to be 25 percent empty, in case a region gets extremely busy.

If there is a larger spike in usage, the Zetamex platform responds immediately.

“We can spin up a cloud server on the fly, automatically in the back end and move over the offending regions to the cloud temporarily,” Rogers told Hypergrid Business.

Is it worth it?

I reviewed the $3 regions last week and believe that with the improvements — and despite the slight price increase — this is still an excellent deal for anyone looking to get started in OpenSim or needing a large amount of always-on land for special projects.

Koanend, a $3 region from Kitely on OSgrid. It was ridiculously easy to set up.

Koanend, a $3 region from Kitely on OSgrid. It was ridiculously easy to set up.

However, if the land is wanted for vehicles, then a regular simulator plan might be a better bet.

For example, the $70 simulator can hold up to 120,000 prims and 100 avatars on a variable region the size of 16 regular regions. If these were separate regions, that would be an average of 7,500 prims per region, for an average price of $4.38 a region. A very excellent deal.

The closest any other hosting company has to this is Kitely’s $100-per-month, 100,000-prim island that can also be configured as a 16-region variable size region. If those were separate regions, that comes out to… 6,250 prims per region at $6.25 per region.

Meanwhile, the Zetamex offer is always on. Although Zetamex does use cloud hosting to handle spikes in usage, their regions are never powered down.

Kitely always runs its regions in the cloud, and only powers them up when people teleport in. When not used, the regions are powered down. In practice this means that there’s a delay of a few seconds when someone tries to teleport to a region sometimes, and they have to wait for the region to be powered up. If there are already people on that region, of course, then the teleport is instantaneous.

Kitely also has a $20-per-month Premium Account plan that comes with five regions, or an average of $4 per region, but these regions are only accessible for free to other premium account holders — Kitely’s free users and hypergrid visitors cost about 20 cents per hour. Additional metered regions are around $1 each per month, but, again, are only free to access for other premium users.

As computing speed increases and it gets easier to turn regions on and off, we’ll probably soon see all hosting providers move to an on-demand model, since there is no practical benefit to keeping a region running when its empty. It just wastes computing power.

Right now, however, the delay is still noticeable, which gives Zetamex a marketing advantage.

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Maria Korolov

Maria Korolov is editor and publisher of Hypergrid Business. She has been a journalist for more than twenty years and has worked for the Chicago Tribune, Reuters, and Computerworld and has reported from over a dozen countries, including Russia and China. Follow me on Twitter @MariaKorolov.

51 Responses

  1. If you’re just buying one region, this is the best deal in OpenSim. When you add in the cost of the toupee you have to buy after pulling out all your hair, it even comes out cheaper than running OpenSim for free at home.

    For folks who have already lost all their hair, of course, a home-hosted region is the better deal.

    • me@timothyfrancisrogers.me' hack13 says:

      I am a big fan of home hosted regions, there is no better way to learn about opensim than getting your own hands dirty with it.

    • hanheld@yahoo.com' Han Held says:

      Different horses for different courses. At some point I’ll eventually plop down and invest in a region or two from Zetamex ..but I’m by no means giving up on my home grid from home -ie my desktop install. Running from home means having 24/7 acess, no limits, complete control (need to fiddle the database? knock yourself out -just save a backup first).

      I dislike the “versus” mindset, espcially since I think the offerings from Zetamex can compliment a from-home installation.

      • selea.core@gmail.com' Selea core says:

        I totally agree with Han Held. For the same reasons, I prefer running my regions from home. It may not be a full operating grid with users account and or a website, but it does what I like to do best. Share with others what I create.

        I dislike the “versus” mindset also. I don’t see the need to push for Kitely while explaining the efforts being done by Zetamex. I admire Zetamex and all it’s doing for people having a hard time configuring OpenSim. If ever I would give up my OpenSim home configurations, I would go to Zetamex.

        At the same time, I would like to mention how disappointing it is to see one grid owner push down the efforts of another. Seems to me that the competition spirit is showing it’s greedy claws 🙁

  2. me@timothyfrancisrogers.me' hack13 says:

    I do believe that on-demand regions are a great inovation, but I honestly believe there will always be a market for always on. Right now however, I am investigating doing what SecondLife does when a sim is empty. About 9 months ago, SecondLife introduced code that spins down a region, not shut down but powers it down to exteremely low resource usage and when someone teleports in spin it back up to normal usage speeds. That is something I am working on trying to develop a solution for with Zetamex services, so they can remain always on, but affordibly. While not being always on would be cheaper, I do hear complaints that people don’t like to wait for regions to start to visit. We live in a fast paced society where I don’t even like to wait for my food to be cooked, so I prefer to order out because it gets done faster.

  3. ilan@kitely.com' Ilan Tochner says:

    Hi Maria,

    I think it is important to mention that the regions in Kitely get significantly more server resoruces than those in Zetamex. Zetamex keep their prices low by placing many regions on each server while Kitely keeps its prices low by turning off simulators when they aren’t needed. This enables Kitely to dynamically allocates server resources to simulators, provide each world with its own simulator, and runs no more than 4 simulators per server (a busy world can even get an entire server to itself). The result is that your Kitely world will have a lot more CPU, memory and network resources available to it, giving you much better inworld performance.

    In addition, Kitely runs its own proprietary cloud-based inventory and asset servers that perform better than those used by OSgrid and Metropolis (which is what the Zetamex regions rely on).

    Your inworld performance will be affected by these factors, counting the offered prims and max avatar setups is a very inaccurate way of comparing what you’ll actually get with each of these companies.

    • me@timothyfrancisrogers.me' hack13 says:

      I would like to point out Ilan, we have our own proprietary tools ontop of opensim. We actually do modify opensim to run with our tools that spin up and down cloud servers for more power. I would really appreciate you not making comments about our company that you don’t fully know.

      • ilan@kitely.com' Ilan Tochner says:

        I’m basing my information on your replies to my comments in this thread: http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2014/08/so-how-good-are-the-3-regions-anyway/#comment-1525686508

        You place multiple regions per simulator. Do you claim to relocate running regions with avatars currently inside them to other simulators without shutting down the simulator or affecting the other regions running on that simulator?

        • me@timothyfrancisrogers.me' hack13 says:

          1. Yes with region plan ONLY, it disclaims they are cheaper because they are on an instance shared with others. Our Simulator plans are just what clients want on them, no one else’s stuff just the one clients.

          2. I don’t move people from simulator to simulator, what we do is we do a hand-off of the various parts of the region using a technology similar to Distributed Scene Graph that was created by Intel. See the reason the region begins to lag is the simulator is heavy load of all the assets on it, so we offload the simulator’s parts into separate services on our servers with 1Gbps to help with issues. However we have never even had to use it in production, but we do test it and make sure it keeps working with every compile we make.

          3. I will be releasing an article with raw statistics from some of our servers since you keep making these claims with no proof so we can show our servers never exceed loads, bandwidth pipe speed, etc. We log EVERYTHING, and it is really upsetting when you come out and make these statements without any proof. So we now are going to make a special blog to re-assure our clients that we operate EXACTLY as we say we do. Why is that so hard to believe, I have no reason to lie.

          4. I have no issues with Kitely, I don’t go out and attack Kitely saying you use X Y Z or whatnot. I don’t say “I need proof that your asset server is different than stock opensim” I have to take your word for it. I don’t get to see it’s code. I refer people to your grid when we are not a fit for what they are looking for all the time, I mean I can snapshot like 40 tickets in our support system where we suggest Kitely. We have refered people to Dreamland Metaverse, Kitely, Zandramas, and a few other small companies as well. We do that because our mission statement which states this and has stated it since we founded our company:

          “If we are not the right solution for you, we will be happy to move you in the direction of a company that we will can better take care of your needs.”

          You can read it for yourself, it us under our “User’s First Policy” in our Mission Statement. I really am getting tired of people who want to attack my company for no reason, and people like Maria telling me I need to be more attacking and strive for fame and money. I am tired of repeating myself on this but:

          I AM NOT IN THIS FOR THE MONEY, I DO THIS BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN WHAT I DO. ~ That is the truth, we make more then enough money to keep the lights on, but we put most all our extra money into all our free opensim community projects. But it seems when you get big, you can’t be seen as good by everyone no matter what you say or do.

          I am really getting tired of replying to these things. It make me upset and sad every time I post these things, I really wish and hope Kitely the absolute best. If I didn’t I wouldn’t send people too it. But again I am done replying to you, because I don’t want to upset myself anymore.

          Keep The Peace

          • ilan@kitely.com' Ilan Tochner says:

            Lag as not just because of asset handling. The UDP stack OpenSim uses suffers from various issues that are still not resolved in regular OpenSim. That is part of what we’ve optimized in Kitely.

            I’m basing my comments on our intimate knowledge of OpenSim’s codebase and the years we spent optimizing problems that still exist with the OpenSim versions you rely on. We would not have needed to spend that time making those improvements if the third-party solutions you utilize sufficed.

          • me@timothyfrancisrogers.me' hack13 says:

            I want to state clearly for the record, that your basing that the “inferiority” of Zetamex services is because we host region on OSgrid and Metropolis. Now that being said is Zetamex’s fault that is issue with OSgrid and Metropolis. If you have grid from us, you don’t have these issues because then, we have full control over both the grid and simulators which we have developed our own tools and patches for preventing the most common bottle necks in opensimulator.

            We have fixed the worst bottle neck in opensim, which is its inventory. You can ask Zandramas(who we do not host but do development for), we had to write a patch to solve their inventory after their grid started getting really busy. The simulator doesn’t handle users with large inventories very well, we had to create a fix for this, which we did. We also developed a more solid Asset server that is more reliable than the stock or standard SRAS, that does de-duplicate as well.

            Now, the fact of what Ilan is saying is any region hosted on OSgrid or Metropolis is not going to be the same as Kitely. Well that is a given, however I will argue a little over Metropolis as they do their own custom development, but I can’t see their back-end but I can at least give them credit were credit is due. Then as far as OSgrid, they take the necessary steps to work around the opensim issues by placing multiple copies of the same server back around each other using round robins, which is not a fix but a band aid.

            Now honestly, I think it is absolutely stupid that Ilan feels the need to say “Every grid is inferior to Kitely” now that is basically what he is saying here. If you read he is not saying just Zetamex is inferior he is saying OSgrid is inferior and Metropolis is inferior. And while I would say, those grids are not inferior, they do run closer to stock. Now OSgrid does this on purpose, because OSgrid is the test grounds, where new code is tested for developers to find bugs so its not OSgrid’s fault for wanting to run stock code.

            Metropolis on the other hand, they are user ran and operated. They do based on what the user wants. Now all this being said, I have now said my piece. I really don’t want to fight people. I am just wanting you guys to see he is not just calling my company inferior he is claiming OSgrid and Metropolis are, and so essentially he is claiming he is better than everyone.

          • ilan@kitely.com' Ilan Tochner says:

            I haven’t compared Kitely to InWorldz or to Avination, both of which
            have also done very extensive work on OpenSim to resolve many of the
            problems that we fixed with regular OpenSim. The grids that are based on
            the development and the release branches of OpenSim do not, however,
            have all these improvements and are technologically inferior. Switching
            the asset and inventory services is important but far from being
            sufficient to solve the hard issues OpenSim has with intermittent lag.
            Anyone reading the OpenSim Dev meeting notes and looking at Mantis can
            see these issues mentioned repeatedly. This isn’t a matter of opinion.

            type of issues I’m referring to require doing low level engineering
            work on the most complicated parts of the OpenSim engine. They aren’t
            resolved by replacing several external modules or making configuration
            changes to how you run your grid.

          • me@timothyfrancisrogers.me' hack13 says:

            Yes and we have made critical changes to the code for certain grids we host to solve many problems. But I detest too much here, I am worn out, and don’t need to stress myself with a bully. So I am done talking pretty much in response to anything you say.

          • ilan@kitely.com' Ilan Tochner says:

            Considering that multiple OpenSim core developers haven’t solved these issues after a lot of time researching them, I doubt you fixed the issues I’m referring to but you’re free to make any claims you wish.

            Timothy, this is a comment thread of an article that compares the offering of our two respective companies. Comparing the technology differences between the two offerings is not bullying. It’s something that should have appeared in the article in the first place.

          • I can’t do this kind of comparison. I don’t have the technical skills or other resources to do a head-to-head comparison of the two platforms.

            All I can say is that I’ve tried both, and both platforms WORK FINE FOR ME most of the time, and both platform have issues that come up some of the time. Are those issues related to grid database servers, to region servers, to viewers? I don’t know. Most of the time, I just ignore them and move on.

            The only real significant scalability testing that I know of is done by MOSES grid on their version of OpenSim (which anyone can download) or on the standard version of OpenSim, as part of the preparations for the OpenSim Community Conference.

            All their improvements are being released back to the community, and I very much applaud their efforts to make OpenSim more stable and more scalable.

            I am not opposed to individual vendors making their own, additional, “secret sauce” improvements to OpenSim — it helps their customers (of course) but it also encourages other vendors, and the open source developers as well, to match those improvements.

            I urge all vendors to concentrate their “secret sauce” efforts on the management side of their platforms — making easy-to-use tools for grid and region owners to run their regions — and donate any significant structural improvements to the wider community as a whole.

            As you can see from this discussion, it is really hard for the average user to evaluate back-end technology. They’re much more likely to pick vendors based on their management tools, their prices, and their support.

            And improving OpenSim functionality as a whole will make the platform more attractive to everyone, and that helps all vendors.

          • arpholdings@gmail.com' AviWorlds says:

            If you dont mind me saying something here….
            I have tried BOTH companies at least once. Timothy offers an excellent service and also does Kitely. Kitely is more like a GRID then a hosting company and Zetamex is a hosting company. Two different animals.

            Kitely for me has the developers and has its own branch of opensim but like I have said before I dont like the region having to go down and up and you have to go to the waiting room and so on…I did offer TiME SLOTS idea to Ilan tho as I have explained above.

            zetamex is a hosting company. A young company with young ambitions and it has done alot for me and AviWorlds although we had our differences and mistakes and lots of new knowledge that comes with the experience.

            AviWorlds was a VERY busy grid with people UPLOADING objects, music, sounds, clothing you name it..People creating lots of things, teleporting in and out, hypergriding in and out…PARTIES everyday and YES WE HAD OUR PROBLEMS but PERFORMANCE I have no complaints.
            Zetames offered a COMPLETE solution for our website which I was grateful and that is something DREAMLAND METAVERSE does not offer. At least when I had their service I did not get that.
            Zetamex did what it could and couldnt for AviWorlds. We had our differences and lots of mistakes but heck that is learning and at the end all that was always resolved.

            If I am going to get a GRID running and needed a HOSTING COMPANY I would go with ZETAMEX. I do like kitely alot but ZETAMEX offers a more complete solution than all hosting companies I have experienced. And you all know I have used most companies.
            Alex Ferraris
            AviWorlds – offline at the moment…

          • ilan@kitely.com' Ilan Tochner says:

            Hi Maria,

            The end result of people not caring about the significant technological
            differences is that the
            companies that actually do serious OpenSim development and contribute
            code to OpenSim core become disincentivized to continue doing so. It
            also creates pressure to reduce prices at the expense of the hardware resources that companies invest on hostting people’s regions. This isn’t good for the OpenSim project and it isn’t
            good for OpenSim users.

            Most of the companies that have contributed code
            to OpenSim in the past have either stopped doing so or significantly
            reduced the amount of code they contribute (Reaction Grid, Avination, Kitely, SimHost, Dreamland Metaverse, etc.). This doesn’t bode well for
            OpenSim’s continued relevance when more actively developed virtual world
            projects are already in the works.

            If you compared a bicycle to a motorbike you wouldn’t just say they both have two wheels but that the bicycle is cheaper and doesn’t require fuel. You’d probably state that one could drive much faster than the other and required less physical effort to do so. Comparing OpenSim service providers while only measuring one aspect of their offering does your readers a disservice IMO.

  4. trrlynn73@gmail.com' Minethere says:

    This all seems to be a win-win to my eyes. Expanding the hypergated Metaverse and giving people more options is a good thing.

    As more and more see this and the freedoms it gives them from more restrictive closed systems, the better for them. I even posted in SLU about it-))

    • trrlynn73@gmail.com' Minethere says:

      [perhaps I should not have shared this one to SLU] oh well…lol…otoh….

      • hanheld@yahoo.com' Han Held says:

        >[perhaps I should not have shared this one to SLU]
        Indeed, we’ve got a long, proud history of calling BS on people and orgs who are full of S.
        Of course, for those of us who like to cut through the fecal matter, that’s a Good Thing.

      • hanheld@yahoo.com' Han Held says:


        • trrlynn73@gmail.com' Minethere says:

          Han, I will just say this, I have absolutely no clue what you are talking about here to me, and, frankly, I am also not interested. Just fyi, I was not talking SLU down, never have, if I disliked SLU in that regard I would stop posting there altogether.

          I post information things there because I know that some there appreciate knowing things, rather than not, the ones who obviously don’t are easily ignored as we have nothing in common. Most who appreciate learning things never say anything. It is also a “posting in passing thing to me”, tho some things have grabbed my attention enough to comment about them also [such as the disability conversation recently]. G+ is my primary social space and is very nice and easily controlled.

          Again, while you can bait others such as Ilan [because he runs a business, this simply is not going to work with me, it’s “your kick” not mine.

          So I suppose you can continue on, but seriously, is there any point to that?

          regards, Han, calm down, it will all be better in the morning, I promise.

  5. merriesch1@yahoo.com' Merrie Schonbach says:

    I wish this would stop, it’s gone beyond professional differences, both of you run your businesses the best way you can/know how and learn as you go, that’s what we all do. Back to your corners and get out of the fight. I wish the best to Tim and Ilan both. I will say one thing to you Iian, let Zetamex customers decide if they like the service or not instead of pointing out the technical downfalls to Zetamex method.

    If the two of you wish to talk tech, compare notes and help each other email each other, stop tossing this trash out in public to cause an uproar. Be professionals.

    • me@timothyfrancisrogers.me' hack13 says:

      I have emailed him, and he chooses to continue to say these things. It was the first thing I did was email him. I concluded with very harsh and rude unacknowledgement even after what I have told him, and refuses to see my own proof. So I really don’t know what to do other than shut my mouth which is what I try my best to do. But I cannot allow someone to say we use stock or as he claimed in email “regular” opensim, when we don’t. We make several modifications to our code base.

    • ilan@kitely.com' Ilan Tochner says:

      Hi Merrie,

      The problem with doing what you suggested is that it leaves uninformed potential customers with an impression that the offerings are somehow technologically comparable. When articles just state the prices, number of prims, claimed avatar concurrences and whether or not the sims are on-demand, then people assume both companies are offering the same user experience but at different price points. This is very far from the truth. Kitely has spent years developing superior technology that provides tangibly better inworld user experience than the solutions that rely on using regular OpenSim with some module replacements. Leaving that out from the comparison is against people’s best interest. Had this been mentioned in the article then I wouldn’t be forced to do this in the comment thread.

      • hanheld@yahoo.com' Han Held says:

        The impression you’re leaving potential customers and bystanders with by following Zetamex around and harrasing them isn’t better -trust me.

        If you want to state your case, state it in your own articles, blogs and forums instead of crossing the line and doing your best to crap-flood Zetamex promotions. The behavoir you’re exibiting is absolutely BS.

        • ilan@kitely.com' Ilan Tochner says:

          Maria started a comparison between our two companies and left out very relevant information in the process. I’m not “following Zetamex around”, I’m correcting a misrepresentation of our own company.

          • hanheld@yahoo.com' Han Held says:

            That’s not how it looks to me, and if it doesn’t look that way to me, it probably doesn’t look that way to a number of other people as well.

            You give the appearence of badgering, and while you can argue semantics all you want, it looks from the outside like you’re going over and above to pick on Zetamex and that gives you the appearence of indulging in bullying behavor.

          • hanheld@yahoo.com' Han Held says:

            I may no longer be a part of “opensim virtual”, but I’m aware of what goes on over there; and that’s part of what’s shaped my opinion -it’s not JUST this article.

          • ilan@kitely.com' Ilan Tochner says:

            Opinions are subjective, you’re entitled to your own as do any of the people who share your view. However, please take a look at the section titled “Is it worth it?” in Maria’s article. Where she points out differences between the two company’s offering without mentioning that what she’s comparing is Zetamex’s economy low-performance option with Kitely’s much more capable high-performance option that has access to a lot more server resources and is running an optimized version of OpenSim.

            Placing emphasis on the downside of Kitely’s on-demand model without even mentioning that this on-demand model enables Kitely to provide a much more powerful solution at only a slightly higher cost than Zetamex’s comparatively underpowered offering is misleading. I doubt you’ve had let that stand if you were in my shoes.

          • chavpaderborn@gmail.com' Chav Paderborn says:

            Yeah we know this but it’s starting to look a bit petty I’m afraid 🙁 It’s also a bit “aren’t people busy enough running grids that they have all this time to comment everywhere?”

            People will always say or think negative things about whatever, it’s impossible to talk everyone into seeing things as you do, you’re just going to get frustrated.
            (Disclosure: I was in Kitely until recent price changes confused me, now I am getting a Zetamex region on Metropolis)

          • ilan@kitely.com' Ilan Tochner says:

            Hi Chav, I’m sorry to see you go, I hope you’ll continue listing your goods in Kitely Market. 🙂

            Part of running an Internet company is making sure that journalistic coverage is accurate and addressing it when it isn’t. I approached Maria about this in an email when she wrote her last article about this subject. When she dismissed my concerns I was forced to comment myself.

          • chavpaderborn@gmail.com' Chav Paderborn says:

            I left my stuff on the Market, yeah, it seemed easier and it means people can get stuff on the hypergrid easily. I suppose I haven’t “left” in that I could still pop in sometimes (even if over HG) but I don’t have my land anymore yah. It was just a bit expensive for me IRL 🙁 and I couldn’t work out who was able to visit me and whatnot.

            Honestly all the commenting is putting me off more than any inaccuracies in the article, which I could check myself if I was interested. I dunno, just sayin.

          • ilan@kitely.com' Ilan Tochner says:

            I understand your perspective but please keep in mind that most people would not know that they need to check anything when the information they’ve been presented in this article doesn’t indicate that there is more to read about the subject.

            How would you feel if someone did a comparison between your goods and someone else’s, focusing on your slightly higher prices but ignoring your much better quality? Would you really let that slide if it was on the most important website for your business?

          • chavpaderborn@gmail.com' Chav Paderborn says:

            To be honest I have a general rule of staying out of it if other people are talking about me or my stuff. Such discussion isn’t really *for* me and I’d be running a mssive risk in terms of maybe looking petty or self-obsessed or something. And I know this isn’t the same as people saying untrue things about Kitely/Zetamex/Whoever but I dunno some people really do care primarily about the price. I’ve have places with Kitely and Zetamex and honestly I didn’t notice much difference between them, as I am not a hi-tech person, and in the end I just can’t afford the Kitely place.

          • ilan@kitely.com' Ilan Tochner says:

            The differences will be felt more as the number of people in the simulator increases. When there is just one or two people in the region you’ll have a harder time noticing them. The main problem I see with this offering is that when the number of people inworld increases the performance decrease will be felt by people in a lot more regions (all the ones sharing the server). If those regions just remain empty most of the time and Zetamex makes sure that people avoid using many scripts in their regions then you’ll probably be fine. The problem is that they state they can support 10/20/40 avatars per such economy region and that won’t likely happen with anything resembling acceptable inworld performance unless most of the other regions on that server are currently vacant or seeing minimal use.

            That said, I agree with you that some people will not care about this and will go for the cheapest hosted option they can find. My point is that they should at least be aware that that is what they are doing.

          • hanheld@yahoo.com' Han Held says:

            They are aware, they don’t need you trash talking zetamex to be aware that they’re paying $3 and that one gets what one pays for. 🙂

            People don’t need to be patronised, any more than they need to be badgered.

          • ilan@kitely.com' Ilan Tochner says:

            Are you saying it’s okay for a company to advertise some capability set it knows it can’t consistently deliver just because people know its prices are low? That’s a very low standard you’re setting…

          • hanheld@yahoo.com' Han Held says:

            Are you saying that Zetamex is engaging in false advertising? That’s something worse than setting low standards.

          • ilan@kitely.com' Ilan Tochner says:

            The entire technical debate I had with him in this comment tread (and the one in the article where he first announced this) was about me stating that he’s making promises his setup can’t consistently support.

            Placing dozens of regions (the numbers changed during his replies) on a single server that has only a 500Mbps network connection is not going to work well when more than a few of those regions have even close to the number of avatars he’s advertising. Placing 3 regions per CPU core is not going to support that level of concurrency across the board. Making vague statements about dynamically migrating part of a sim to cloud servers from an active busy region when multiple regions share the same simulator, and the regions have no static scene requirements has not been demonstrated by anyone, including the Intel developers who developed DSG.

            I called BS and people’s response here was that I was harassing him… I understand people want to believe a $3 region is going to be great but the company advertising it shouldn’t get away with making such claims when its stuffing as many regions as it can on a server while claiming “We NEVER oversell our resources”, “our simulators servers never exceed 75% memory usage”, etc.

          • lmpierce@alcancemas.com' lmpierce says:

            Hi all,

            So far, this discussion has pushed the envelope without becoming unacceptably rancorous, but now I’m going to ask that everyone take a breath and keep in mind that each contributor has made their point(s) in abundance.

            Also remember that links to other forums are allowed, so that groups can break off into extended discussions along whatever guidelines are in place in other venues.

          • trrlynn73@gmail.com' Minethere says:

            Heya Chav…I always find this kind of comment interesting “Yeah we know this but it’s starting to look a bit petty I’m afraid 🙁 It’s also a bit “aren’t people busy enough running grids that they have all this time to comment everywhere?”

            Perspective is a fascinating thing to me.

            I do agree with this part, “People will always say or think negative things about whatever”…otoh, more people say positive things, on balance.

            Kinda like crime statistics would make one think there is tons of crime, but then if one reads the actual numbers, it is often small compared to the rest of the population.

            I tend to think, in this matter, Ilan has a point, and Tim does also, then some chime in with opinions based upon perceptions, whether right or wrong.

            Just like I am doing….lol

            Anywho, not joining the hayride bandwagon, just throwing out my 2 cents to an uncaring world-)

    • hanheld@yahoo.com' Han Held says:

      The behavior being exhibited by Ilan Tochner towards Zetamex is why I have stopped recommending kitely to anyone who asks me how to get set up in opensim -end of. It’s gotten to the point where he’s badgering and nearly harassing Timothy.

      Submitting patches doesn’t grant anyone a license to bully people.

  6. arpholdings@gmail.com' AviWorlds says:

    I agree with Timothy on this. I do like Kitely alot but I dont like the waiting and knowing that the region is not online 24/7. We go to sleep and world goes on…So should be a virtual world.
    I did offer a suggestion to Ilan many moons ago regarding a TIME schedule SLOTS. that region owners could pay for their regions to be up at that time they chose.
    Example – I own a region named bla bla.. I want my region to be up for me from 9 am to 10 pm. So everyday at those hours between 9am and 10pm my region would always be there waiting for me. After that they go to sleep if I m not using them.
    But Ilan I guess did not use that idea. He preferred to create WAITING ROOMS which does not solve the problem for someone like me. I still am waiting in a waiting room….
    I think this idea would work for Kitely and it could even charge for it…. hey I want a percentage! just kidding..you can use the idea if you decide to…np.

    I am still trying to find a solution for AviWorlds. Hosting wise tho.
    Alex Ferraris

    • Hi alex. Actually even though the initial setup of a grid is a bit of a pain in the butt, i would suggest getting a few dedicated servers from OVH and host the grid yourself. The configs are not that hard to do now that there are so much help online by just searching for what each line do, also the official opensim website i found has been very helpful for me to learn the configs. Even though I don’t setup clients for Zetamex, i leave that to Tim since he is more of a pro then me, i have set up a few grids in the past with one of them still going.
      It just takes some reading and trial and error to get the hang of the back end of opensim. You’re even welcome to use the already compiled builds that are available for free online from either the official opensim website or from ZetamexLabs.

      • arpholdings@gmail.com' AviWorlds says:

        Hi Christopher thanks for your suggestion. I do have a 32 gig, 8 core, SSD drives and all with a 100/100 connection in my MAN CAVE. I do have 6 regions running righ now. So far I have been able to do it myself. Lots of reading…haha…but its getting there..

        • glad to hear it. it is alot of reading and watching videos and alot of hair pulling so i hope you been wanting to go bald, just kidding. But i did the same thing when i tried to start up my own V-Life grid. Little did I know what all actually needed to be done to get going till after i gave up. At least you have had a good few years to know the business aspect of owning a grid.

  7. lmpierce@alcancemas.com' lmpierce says:

    Hi all,

    As moderator I want to comment here about the discussion itself.

    It’s fine and helpful to post information that moves the discussion forward. It’s acceptable to debate technical issues up to the point that once the points have all been made, restraint is shown, especially when further reiteration no longer adds new information to the discussion. Finally, personal attacks and assertions usually signal that meaningful discussion has ended and mud slinging has begun.

    So far, this discussion has pushed the envelope without becoming unacceptably rancorous, but now I’m going to ask that everyone take a breath and keep in mind that each contributor has made their point(s) in abundance.

    Also remember that links to other forums are allowed, so that groups can break off into extended discussions along whatever guidelines are in place in other venues.

  8. christian.noone@gmail.com' xchrisx says:

    To be honest i most certainly do not think kitely has high-performance at all, when i have tried tested a sim and visited others, its very shocking at times compared to other opensim grids out there :O and will not ever be returning to that grid again. I like the title of another subject about kitely market place verses second life market place, makes me laugh and seems Kitely get a lot of post, talk about and advertising on Hyper grid business :O There is absolutely no comparison between the two markets, and has a developer myself, Kitely market is nothing and but an extremely simple market script any newbie coder could create, or even steal from opensource scripts all over the net 😉

    • for the record, this xchrisx is NOT me. I go by Chrisx84. Secondly, kinda gotta agree about the market place, it was super easy for me to write a marketplace website in php, however xchrisx i dont think you fully understand the complications that are involved in sending items from one grid to another. Granted that same grid delivery is super easy using a dropbox system despite the opensim llGiveInventory problem with giving items to avatars on other sims, sending items from say Kitely to OSGrid requires extra C# coding in the opensim core. This is the problem Tim and I are facing right now with our ZetamexTech Market.
      Our dropbox can send to avatars on other sims that are on the same grid and that dropbox sends a IM to the receiving avatar that they would need to relog to see the item(s) in their inventory.